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Okla. Immigration Law Blamed for Death
By JUSTIN JUOZAPAVICIUS – 3 hours ago TULSA, Okla. (AP) — Edgar Castorena had diarrhea for 10 days and counting, and the illegal immigrant parents of the 2-month-old didn't know what to do about it. They were afraid they would be deported under a new Oklahoma law if they took him to a major hospital. By the time they took him to a clinic, it was too late. A ruptured intestine that might have been treatable instead killed the U.S.-born infant, making him a poster child for opponents of House Bill 1804 months before it was enacted as the Oklahoma Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act of 2007. "The sad part of it was the child didn't have to die if House Bill 1804 didn't ever come around," said Laurie Paul, who runs the clinic where Edgar was finally taken. "It was a total tragedy because the bill was there to create the myths and untruths and the fear." The law, billed by its backers as the nation's toughest legislation against illegal immigration, took effect Nov. 1. It bars illegal immigrants from obtaining jobs or state assistance and makes it a felony to harbor or transport illegal immigrants. A final portion of the law goes into effect July 1, requiring private companies to verify the employment eligibility of all new hires. While it's difficult to characterize which state has the toughest immigration-related law, Oklahoma's goes beyond most because it includes the clause about harboring and transporting illegal immigrants, said Ann Morse, program director for the National Conference of State Legislatures' Immigrant Policy Project. "What I think these laws may have are unintended consequences on the general public," Morse said recently. "How does the law get implemented? Who is the target?" The crackdown has caused thousands of Hispanics to flee for neighboring states, with as many as 25,000 leaving northeastern Oklahoma alone, according to the Greater Tulsa Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. The law's fallout also can be seen in the struggling businesses, worker shortages and widespread fear among immigrants who say they are afraid to drive to church or the market because police might pick them up. "I feel like I'm in some kind of Nazi country where if they see your color, you'll be stopped," said Maria Sanchez, a 22-year-old student who is looking to leave Oklahoma rather than risk waiting the seven years it will take to get her papers. "I can't work, I can't study, I can't go out, there's no point of me staying here." Civil rights leaders call the law xenophobic and redundant, and say other states will wrongly look to Oklahoma to push their own anti-illegal immigrant legislation. Business and church leaders also have been vocal opponents. "Oklahoma was settled by immigrants ... which means that diverse is normal in Oklahoma," said the Rev. Miguel Rivera, president of the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Christian Leaders. "It's difficult for us to understand a state which is so Christian, that to have all this animosity toward immigrants is completely outrageous." Supporters — described by Dan Howard, the founder of an anti-illegal immigration Web site, as "good, American, God-fearing people of the heartland that bleed red, white and blue" — say the law is necessary because of Washington's bungled immigration policy. They also believe the law has helped deter crime and punishes the companies that make money on the backs of illegal labor. The bill's Republican author, state Rep. Randy Terrill, said similar versions have been introduced or are under consideration in more than a dozen states. Last year, more than 1,500 pieces of immigration-related legislation were introduced across the country, with 244 becoming law in 46 states, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. "More than half the nation will soon be modeling Oklahoma's bill," said Terrill, who plans to introduce a companion piece this year that would make English the state's official language, order schools to report how many illegal children are enrolled and require people or businesses who transport, hire or rent to illegal immigrants to forfeit property. Terrill said there's no correlation between his bill and Edgar's death, noting that the child died in July, months before the law took effect, and that the law provides an exception for emergency medical care. "To the extent that these illegal alien parents deprived their own child needed and necessary medical care because of their ignorance of the law, then they should be in prison, frankly," Terrill said. Edgar's parents are believed to have gone underground following the boy's death, returning either to Mexico or going to stay with family in Arkansas, according to interviews with people in Tulsa's Latino community. Far from the halls of the state Capitol, fear leads illegal immigrants to develop elaborate emergency plans for their children in case the youngsters should find their parents missing. Irene Maldonado, 24, has been designated as the one to call in case her sister-in-law gets deported. Meanwhile, she worries if her husband, Jose, will come home on weekends from the construction jobs he works throughout the state. She has legal residency, he doesn't. "I don't know if he has less fear, or he's trying to be the macho guy," she said. Illegal immigrant Maria Saldivar, 44, searches for what little factory work she can to support her three children. Past employers now ask for papers. "Every time I look for a job, it's always the same thing," Saldivar said in Spanish through a translator. "There was more work for me to do before." Even workers with proper paperwork are leaving for jobs in neighboring states rather than split up their families. "My guy who runs my framing crew, he had 70 workers, and as of Nov. 1, he lost 35 of them," said Caleb McCaleb, who runs a homebuilding company in Edmond. "My painter has lost 30 percent of his work force, my landscaper has lost 25 percent of his work force." Some in Terrill's own party doubt the wisdom of his legislation. "We've removed not only those here illegally and working, but those who are here legally," said state Sen. Harry Coates, a Republican who voted against 1804 and wants to repeal portions of the bill. "I'm not the smartest person in the world, but I understand economics." Vicente Ruiz, a 47-year-old legal immigrant who runs his own electrical contracting business, put it more bluntly: "It's all about making money, and if everybody moves away, the whole state is going to suffer." http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jqUdqSm2H_sgJK2_XVdxEN7k8IwAD8UD38TO0 |
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On Warning. 30 Days, 24July08 Silent_Surface |
This is simply asinine:
From the story: "I feel like I'm in some kind of Nazi country where if they see your color, you'll be stopped," said Maria Sanchez, a 22-year-old student who is looking to leave Oklahoma rather than risk waiting the seven years it will take to get her papers. "I can't work, I can't study, I can't go out, there's no point of me staying here." Wha wha... I can't break the law and be comfortable doing it. DUH! I suspect most criminals feel the same way. What is more OUTRAGEOUS is the pro-law breakers who use this child's death as leverage. "The sad part of it was the child didn't have to die if House Bill 1804 didn't ever come around," said Laurie Paul, who runs the clinic where Edgar was finally taken. "It was a total tragedy because the bill was there to create the myths and untruths and the fear." ACTUALLY, the truth is, the child would likely survived if his parents did not violate the law and entered the United States legally. What is more interesting is this incident occured BEFORE the law was enacted; so why would the parents believe they would get deported? I suspect the truth is, they didn't want to go to the doctor because they knew they were breaking the law and the death of their child is just being used by zealots. |
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BEST FREAKIN NEWS I HAVE HEARD ALL WEEK. This message has been edited. Last edited by: SgtSchaeffersMom, |
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The sad part of it was the child didn't have to die if his parents had not broken the law and come to this country illegally ... and then put the possibility of deportation above the welfare of their child. Sad, very sad ... and the parents will have to live with their guilt. |
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Since they were obviously more worried about themselves than the baby, I doubt they will be feeling much guilty. If they are found, they ought to be charged with murder in the child's death. |
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Everybody else has said it so I'll say it again anyway: That baby was killed by really crappy parenting, not by good law. Also, ETSing vets, or anybody put out of work by the recession, I hear Oklahoma is Hiring!
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Actually this is in no small part the President's fault.
How? It is because the President has dragged his foot on border enforcement (i.e. not beefing up the Border Patrol, not pardoning agents Ramos and Compean, not pushing for rapid construction of the fence, etc.) and so individual states and counties have to come up with their own anti-illegal immigrant measures to deal with the increasing influx of illegals. If the Federal government took more proactive steps to preventing the influx of illegals, that baby would probably be alive and those illegals who feel like they are in a Nazi like United States would be living 'free' as Mexican citizens in Mexico. |
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Seems to me I just heard that unemployment was up ... and rising. With increased unemployment and a decline in home building, ought to balance out just about right ... too bad.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/MarketTalk/story?id=4148184&page=1 |
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If I remember correctly, the President was pushing law (more liberal than I would have liked, but practical) it died in congress. Nope. Baby died 'cause of crappy parents, case closed.
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Unless you have some information that indicates President Bush went into Mexico, kidnapped the Castorenas and brought them here, then demanded they produce a baby here and then instructed them to put their own interests ahead of the health of their child I'm afraid I don't get your point. |
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I was being a little tongue-in-cheek. Of course the responsibility for the child's death resides with the parents. However, the problem of the millions of illegals pouring into our country is ultimately the Federal government's (and association, the President's) responsibility. |
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Maybe they shoulda driven the kid to a hospital in MEXICO. Then they would have got the best medical care without having to worry about being deported.
"HOW DARE YOU COME INTO MY HOUSE, YOU SON OF A B----!" Susan Buxton, 66, heard over her granddaughter's 911 call. Arlington, TX 9 Nov. 2005. Aired 10 Nov. 2005, WBAP 820, Mark Davis show. She ended up shooting him in the leg when he tried to take her gun. Good shtuff! |
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My God in Heaven, . . . MORE common sense??? Logic soooo simple that even a politician or non-english speaking illegal alien could understand it. Sheeeeeeesshhhh. |
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DD449; your (quoted below) assertion is downright juvenile and disregards facts!
The story does not say how long the "illegal parents" were in the country. The story does not say how they came into the country. POINTS: Under President Reagan in 1986; amnesty was granted to illegal immigrants in this country! If we NOW have over 12 million illegals in our country; they've been accumlating since 1986. They didn't all come in after 2001 when President Bush assumed office. Various studies have, in 2005, concluded an estimated 7 million had been in the Country for over 5 years. Various other studies have concluded that over one-third crossed our borders "legally" and have simple "overstayed" their alloted VISA times or other provisions. In 2006, upon the President's Specific Proposals; Comprehensive Immigration Reform legislation was debated in Congress. Congress refused to pass the legislation. Read all about it in H.R. 4437 and S. 2611. In 2007, upon the President's Specific Proposals; Comprehensive Immigration Reform legislation was debated in Congress. Congress failed to pass the legislation. Read all about it in S. 1348 and S. 1639. The Secure Fence Act of 2006 (Pub.L. 109-367) was signed into law by the President on Oct 26, 2006. Congress has FAILED to appropriate the estimated 5 billion needed to build the fence! The President's Administration, with "piecemeal legislation" and the Power of the "Chief Executive;" have, ACTUALLY. done quite a lot! Examples of what has occurred since President Bush assumed office, include: * More than doubled funding for border security - from $4.6 billion in 2001 to $10.4 billion this year; (Remember, the Fence alone is an estimated 5 billion; and much of those funds have not been appropriated by Congress.) * Increased the number of Border Patrol agents from about 9,000 to more than 12,000 - and by the end of 2008, we will have doubled the number of Border Patrol agents since the President took office; * Deployed thousands of National Guard members to assist the Border Patrol; * Upgraded technology at our borders and added infrastructure, including new fencing and vehicle barriers; * Apprehended and sent home more than 6 million people entering America illegally; * and, they are adding thousands of new beds in our detention facilities, so we can continue working to end "catch and release" at our Southern border. So DD449; LEARN THE FACTS; before you start the BLAME GAME! No One in a Leadership Role; has DONE ENOUGH; but, the President has done more than his share to correct this problem. A Problem, that he LARGELY inherited upon assuming office! Moreover, some other "pressing issues" came along; e,g., recession crisis, 9/11 attacks and other things. So, the President is more deserving of Credit than BLAME! From A Proud Vietnam Veteran |
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Well the illegles will want to blame Americans for passing these laws,
when in fact the problems are with the illegles themselves. They don`t learn the speak english so they don`t understand, then they get preyed upon by their own people by fear. Their own people look to make money off of their own ignorance of the law. Just about every night on the local news is some mexican illegle that has been robbed, raped, or murdered by the local roving mexican gangs that tell the victoms that if they go to the police they will be deported. It is not just the mexicans as it is also the koreans, the chinnese and others. I say this, if you come to America, learn english, it is your own folks out to get you. |
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