How could this situation get so far and never have made front page news? A US president negotiating the desolution of the USA with foreigh powers and it never makes Front Page news round the world? What about congress? why are they so quiet? The people spoke through thier elected representatives thier feelings on sovernty when congress voted down the amnesty immigration bill. Have the people no say any longer in government even when it comes to the desolution of thier country? Id have to call this a conspiracy and the final straw.


Pro-Immigration Forces Back North American Union


John O. Edwards
Monday, July 9, 2007
America is finished.

Mexico and Canada are gone too.

In their place: One massive country, the North American Union (NAU), bordered by the Bering Sea to the north and Guatemala to the south, the Atlantic to the east and the Pacific to the west.

NAU citizens no longer spend dollars or salute Old Glory. They spend "ameros," and the flag that waves over its capitals shows the entire Western Hemisphere.

The national borders of the United States have been forever erased. While that scenario may sound far-fetched, critics of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) warn that future could be here sooner than anyone realizes.

President Bush, Mexican President Vincente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin informally agreed to set up the SPP in 2005.

Not so well known is the fact that supporters of the NAU concept slipped an initiative into the recently defeated immigration reform act. Largely unnoticed amidst the amnesty furor that ultimately sunk the Immigration Bill was the statement, "It is the sense of Congress that the United States and Mexico should accelerate the implementation of the Partnership for Prosperity to help generate economic growth and improve the standard of living in Mexico."

The bill called for measures to boost the economy of Mexico, including:


U.S. support for Mexico, to strengthen its education and training programs.
A call for better health care for "poor and underserved" people in Mexico.
And U.S. assistance to "establish a program with the private sector to cover the health care needs of Mexican nationals temporarily employed in the United States."
The bill also called for U.S. assistance to Mexican businesses and government to eliminate corruption, which it termed, "the single biggest obstacle to development."
"This was the first attempt by the SPP to go public, and it failed," says Dr. Jerome Corsi, author of The Late Great USA. They thought nobody would notice. They were wrong."

Corsi called the sPP "a coup d-etat by bureaucratic means," adding that it works underhandedly like a shadow government.

"It is an attempt to turn North America into something like the European Economic Community," he says, "which began with economic cooperation and expanded eventually to include a common market, and then a full-scale regional government replacing, in many ways, the governing powers of the member nations."

Documents recently obtained by public interest group Judicial Watch reveal that "working groups" of the SPP are developing plans for U.S. taxpayer-funded initiatives to improve Mexico's infrastructure, within just six to 18 months

SSP plans include:


Creating a North American Pandemic Influenza Plan;
Facilitating cross-border travel;
Establishing Social Security totalization for Mexican aliens working in the United States;
Creating a Trans-Texas Corridor superhighway with truck, car, and train lanes running from Mexico to Canada.
Following the 2005 tri-lateral summit, the three leaders agreed, "We will establish ministerial-led working groups that will consult with stakeholders in our respective countries. These working groups will respond to the priorities of our people and our businesses and will set specific, measurable, and achievable goals."

The working groups include committees on "Manufactured Goods and Sectoral and Regional Competitiveness, Movement of Goods, Energy, Environment, E-Commerce and Information Communications Technologies, Financial Services, Business Facilitation, Food and Agriculture, Transportation and Health," according to the SPP Web, www.spp.gov.
"Basically, the SPP eliminates borders," Dr. Corsi tells NewsMax. "Just as in Europe, once free-flowing cross-border travel and full economic cooperation are established, the next step will be multi-national regulations and multi-national court systems to resolve disputes, with powers that supercede those of U.S. courts in many cases."

Opponents of the NAU slipping its provisions into a bill sold as way to strengthen the integrity of the nation's borders reflects the determination of those pushing a North American union.

The SPP has struck back with a FAQ section on their U.S. website, www.spp.gov, which attempts to counter "myths" of its ultimate aims, stressing that the SPP "does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency."

As to charges that the SPP is being undertaken without the knowledge of the Congress, the FAQs state, "US agencies involved with SPP regularly update and consult with members of Congress on our efforts and plans." SPP confirms that the SPP is a "White House-driven initiative. In the United States, the Department of Commerce coordinates the ‘Prosperity' component, while the Department of Homeland Security coordinates the ‘Security' component. The Department of State ensures the two components are coordinated and are consistent with U.S. foreign policy."

"They deny it – of course they do, but the ultimate direction of all these actions is driven by a one-world view," Dr. Corsi says. Corsi contends that President Bush has a secret agenda to dissolve the United States of America into the North American Union.

"However, as more people in the United States are becoming aware of the goals of the SPP, grassroots opposition to the SPP is growing very fast."

One example: 12 states are currently considering resolutions opposing the establishment of the NAU.

There is a federal effort to block the SPP as well.

It is spearheaded by a resolution, HCR 40, which states, "The United States should not allow the Security and Prosperity Partnership to implement further regulations that would create a North American Union with Mexico and Canada; and the President should indicate strong opposition to these acts or any other proposals that threaten the sovereignty of the United States." The resolution also calls for the U.S. to not "engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement Superhighway System."

The resolution notes that "reports issued by the SPP indicate that it has implemented regulatory changes among the three countries that circumvent U.S. trade, transportation, homeland security and border security functions and that the SPP will continue to do so in the future."

The bill is sponsored by Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va., who tells NewsMax, "I hope that more Americans will become aware of the Security and Prosperity Partnership, which will lead to a North American union and the destruction of the sovereignty of the United States."

Cong. Goode, who opposed the Immigration Bill saying it would be "a disaster to our nation if it were to become law," says his resolution has attracted over two dozen co-sponsors so far.

"Defeat of the Immigration Bill was a setback for the supporters of the SPP, but they won't just give up and go away," Corsi warns. "There is a huge amount of international capital driving this. They will not give up easily."

© NewsMax 2007. All rights reserved.

Dissolution? No. Aggrandizement is more appropriate.

The Mexicans might want to be part of the GrossAmerika , or whatever you call it. Us eskimos say keep it all for yourselves.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. This isn't about people, it's about 'unifying' money and truckloads full of manufactured crap.

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I wouldn't worry too much about it. This isn't about people, it's about 'unifying' money and truckloads full of manufactured crap.

It's more of an agenda than that my friend. The spp is the continueation of a very subtle and incremental move toward world gov't in which the elites are the rulers. They will give us democracy, sure, but democracy is not what any Freedom loving citizen should ever want.

God Bless America!

John, where is your credible source for this document? sounds more like right wing milita paranoia than a genuine article. please provide a link.

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Originally posted by AirForceAggie:
John, where is your credible source for this document? sounds more like right wing milita paranoia than a genuine article. please provide a link.

I guess you missed the last line ... which goes a long way towards explaining the perspective. "© NewsMax 2007. All rights reserved." http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/7/9/140357.shtml?s=lh

such a scary thought and most of thre kool-aid drinking Sheeple dont even know this is going on.

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:
such a scary thought and most of thre kool-aid drinking Sheeple dont even know this is going on.

Anyone who puts Kool-aid in my favorite beverage is in for trouble, and although some of us are well aware of the facts the article brought up, we decline to take such an apocalyptic view of their intent and eventual outcome.

EWW!!! That is SCARY!!! I HATE it when you can freakin' cross-reference the news reports with the Bible!! That is TOTAL Armegeddon/Tribulation stuff!

I guess now we have nearly TWO of the TEN global zones that the anti-christ is supposed to control in the last days according to Biblical prophecy teachings: (I.) The European Zones - as the EU money already in place for an easy transition, and (II.) the North American Zone with this North American currency in the works to provide for a potential easy transition...

When you guys see the 7-year peace treaty with Isreal signed (and it HAS TO BE A SEVEN-YEAR PEACE TREATY - anything else is NOT the sign) - The FINAL countdown has started...

EWWW. CREEPY. (shudders)

Just because it is NewsMax reporting it, doesn't make it propaganda. I have heard of this quite a bit. The recent immigration bill threads was loaded with talk of this. I for one, do not want a North American Union. We need to be controlling our borders, not opening them even further.

Amen brother!
America first, all others, well when we get to them, if there is anything in it for us! AMERICA!

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Originally posted by Woody_in_La:
Just because it is NewsMax reporting it, doesn't make it propaganda. I have heard of this quite a bit. The recent immigration bill threads was loaded with talk of this. I for one, do not want a North American Union. We need to be controlling our borders, not opening them even further.

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Originally posted by Woody_in_La:
Just because it is NewsMax reporting it, doesn't make it propaganda. I have heard of this quite a bit. The recent immigration bill threads was loaded with talk of this. I for one, do not want a North American Union. We need to be controlling our borders, not opening them even further.

Woody, NewsMax wasn't "reporting it" they posted an op-ed ... and they do have a freely stated point of view. More to the point, they saw these proposals as some sort of stealthy infringement on our sovereignty:

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The bill called for measures to boost the economy of Mexico, including:

# U.S. support for Mexico, to strengthen its education and training programs.
# A call for better health care for "poor and underserved" people in Mexico.
# And U.S. assistance to "establish a program with the private sector to cover the health care needs of Mexican nationals temporarily employed in the United States."
# The bill also called for U.S. assistance to Mexican businesses and government to eliminate corruption, which it termed, "the single biggest obstacle to development."

Other than the "cover the health care of Mexican nationals temporarily" part, which at least takes some of the burden for a national problem off local taxpayers, I don't see a thing wrong with any of those proposals, which would serve to reduce the pressures within Mexico driving economic refugees over the border.

Am I missing something crucial?

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Originally posted by oldmole:

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Originally posted by Woody_in_La:
Just because it is NewsMax reporting it, doesn't make it propaganda. I have heard of this quite a bit. The recent immigration bill threads was loaded with talk of this. I for one, do not want a North American Union. We need to be controlling our borders, not opening them even further.

Woody, NewsMax wasn't "reporting it" they posted an op-ed ... and they do have a freely stated point of view. More to the point, they saw these proposals as some sort of stealthy infringement on our sovereignty:

quote:

The bill called for measures to boost the economy of Mexico, including:

# U.S. support for Mexico, to strengthen its education and training programs.
# A call for better health care for "poor and underserved" people in Mexico.
# And U.S. assistance to "establish a program with the private sector to cover the health care needs of Mexican nationals temporarily employed in the United States."
# The bill also called for U.S. assistance to Mexican businesses and government to eliminate corruption, which it termed, "the single biggest obstacle to development."

Other than the "cover the health care of Mexican nationals temporarily" part, which at least takes some of the burden for a national problem off local taxpayers, I don't see a thing wrong with any of those proposals, which would serve to reduce the pressures within Mexico driving economic refugees over the border.

Am I missing something crucial?

It's called mexican welfare!

Stuart Mackenzie:Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.
Tony Giardino: So who's in this Pentavirate?
Stuart Mackenzie: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

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Originally posted by soscorpio:

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I wouldn't worry too much about it. This isn't about people, it's about 'unifying' money and truckloads full of manufactured crap.

It's more of an agenda than that my friend. The spp is the continueation of a very subtle and incremental move toward world gov't in which the elites are the rulers. They will give us democracy, sure, but democracy is not what any Freedom loving citizen should ever want.

God Bless America!

AirForceAggie
John, where is your credible source for this document? sounds more like right wing milita paranoia than a genuine article. please provide a link.


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/7/9/140357.shtml?s=lh


Upcoming Meeting Fuels 'North American Union' Fears
By Nathan Burchfiel
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
August 15, 2007

(CNSNews.com) - An upcoming meeting among President Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Mexican President Felipe Calderon is raising concerns on both sides of the northern border and the political aisle over sovereignty, immigration, natural resources and corporate influence over government.

The Aug. 20-21 meeting is the fourth in a series of meetings among the leaders of the three countries as part of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP), a "trilateral effort to increase security and enhance prosperity ... through greater cooperation and information sharing." The first meeting took place in 2005 in Waco, Texas.

A lack of transparency and openness about what occurs at the meetings, however, has led skeptics from both sides of the political aisle to question the SPP's goals and possible outcomes.

Many opponents in the United States raise concerns about forfeiting U.S. sovereignty to the other governments -- especially Mexico -- in regard to immigration and labor policies. Opponents in Canada, as well as some liberals in the U.S., worry the United States is making a power play for control of Mexican and Canadian resources.

The SPP is "quite literally about eliminating Canada's ability to set independent regulatory standards, environmental protection, energy security, foreign, military, immigration and a frighteningly wide range of other policies," according to the Council of Canadians, an anti-SPP group.

In a fundraising letter Monday, Council of Canadians National Chairperson Maude Barlow wrote that "the decisions that Harper, Bush and Calderon make on Aug. 20 and 21 will affect the food we eat, the air we breathe and the human rights and civil liberties we enjoy."

"The SPP's objectives include removing barriers and securing access to Mexican and Canadian natural resources," Dana Gabriel, author of the blog New World Order Must Be Stopped, wrote in a column opposing the SPP. "This will lead to the further corporate takeover of our resources, with more control of our oil and gas reserves in the hands of U.S. corporations."

Stephen Lendmen, a self-described "progressive" activist from Chicago, in July described the SPP as "a corporate coup d'etat against the sovereignty of three nations enforced by a common hard line security strategy already in play separately in each country."

"It's a scheme to create a borderless North American Union under U.S. control without barriers to trade and capital flows for corporate gains, mainly U.S. ones," Lendmen wrote.

While Lendmen's complaints center on a perceived corporate effort to gain control of resources, he also touched on the main concern for conservative opponents within the United States: the creation of a "North American Union" where each country must get approval from the other two to enact policies normally subject to individual sovereignty.

Some opponents openly refer to their concerns as a "conspiracy theory." The Web site "Stop the NAU" states that "this 'conspiracy' is transpiring between top U.S., Canadian and Mexican officials, the U.S. Departments of Commerce and Homeland Security and the media who are keeping these plans out of the public spotlight."

The group's primary concerns involve American national sovereignty, open borders, immigration policies, the loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs and increases in foreign aid to Mexico.

"It is incredible, but just three years from now ... the United States may cease to exist as an independent political entity," the Web site states. "Its laws, rules and regulations -- including all freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution -- will be subject to review and nullification by the North American Union's governing body."

Supporters of the SPP and the group itself, through the American government's Web site about the partnership, deny that groundwork is being laid for a North American Union. But a lack of available information about what takes place at the meetings fuels those fears.

The SPP "does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico and Canada," according to spp.gov. "The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency."

"It builds on efforts to protect our environment, improves our ability to combat infectious disease ... and ensures our food supply is safe through the exchange of information and cooperation -- improving the quality of life for U.S. citizens," the Web site states. "Americans enjoy world-class living standards because we are engaged with the world."

Robert Pastor, an American University professor who has been at the forefront of calling for the establishment of a "North American community," said in a panel discussion Monday that the leaders of the three nations ought to be more open about what's going on.

Criticizing the "secretive, bureaucratic implemental process," Pastor called for a new approach to cooperation because the SPP is "clearly inadequate to the tasks that lay in front of them." He predicted the Montebello meeting will amount to little more than a "photo opportunity."

"What should come is a very different approach than SPP," Pastor said during the discussion at the conservative Hudson Institute in Washington, D.C. "It's one that invites a public debate in all three countries about the future of our relationship."

He said that if the people were really to be heard, a majority of the public would support what the SPP is trying to accomplish.

"The silent majority ... is out there wanting some leadership by our president," Pastor said, adding that "such leadership would find resonance in our country and hopefully might quell some of the loud screaming that's going on against working with our neighbors."

such a scary thought and most of thre kool-aid drinking Sheeple dont even know this is going on.


Thats due to a conspiracy as I see it. And yes that is very scary. How could actions such as these not be considered a dictatorship and treason? It is the exactly the reason that it is imperative that this president and VP must be impeached and held accountable answerable to the people for all the questionable actions of this administration. And if found guilty charged with treason and incarcerated along with others who were accomplice. This is a very serious matter being conceled. Yet some will ignore it and make light of it.

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John2x:Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.
Tony Giardino: So who's in this Pentavirate?
john2x: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

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It's called mexican welfare!

That is a damn good way to put it.

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Originally posted by mgarmy:

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John2x:Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.
Tony Giardino: So who's in this Pentavirate?
john2x: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

You forgot about Bill Gates and Saudi Prince Alaweed the 5th richest man in the world that controls most media, To say nothing Of S$B and the Caryle group which the Bushies have controled since the 30s. World power and Domination by the wealthy,