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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,149641,00.html

"Counterterrorism tool?"
No one should be complaining about politicians taking contr. from thugs: remember, bribery's just another tool! Besides, spec. ops. types aren't what they were 40 yr ago: today, they're just more video game wonks & bloggers; more nutless & gutless. I wouldn't trust 'em to go grocery shopping.

Whoever came up with the idea to misuse the word "tool" should be publicly executed. Very slowly.
 
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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,149641,00.html

"Counterterrorism tool?"
No one should be complaining about politicians taking contr. from thugs: remember, bribery's just another tool! Besides, spec. ops. types aren't what they were 40 yr ago: today, they're just more video game wonks & bloggers; more nutless & gutless. I wouldn't trust 'em to go grocery shopping.

Whoever came up with the idea to misuse the word "tool" should be publicly executed. Very slowly.
Applause Hey Mike,
That is a great opinion...
 
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Yeah, go tell them that they are nut less and gutless, see just how long it is that you're still on your feet! You think spec ops is nut less and gutless, lets see you ruck up and see how long you hang, before you yell to be taken back to your mother!
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What ever happened to the effort to coordinate intelligence gathering ? Confused
 
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Big Grin Go for it, SPECOPS!! Whatever works is accepted, exception is being home in a body bag.You dudes have my vote. Screw the politicos.
 
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Well you know what they say money talks and bullshits walk.
 
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Ah the good ole 60's are making a come back. Hey Sarge where is my gold Rolex?
 
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But he did say U.S. commandos have employed local forces to infiltrate hostile areas where American troops cannot openly operate.

COULD SOMEONE TELL ME HOW THE LOCAL FORCES ARE DEMOBILISED AFTER THE OBJECTIVES HAVE BEEN MET?
 
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The money would go farther and last longer, if most of it were spent building and defending a water and electric power grid for the locals. That gives them something tangible to fight for and offers immediate improvement to their lives. You want to attract more people and fighters to your cause? Give them water and electricity. Just about everything else follows.
 
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The money would go farther and last longer, if most of it were spent building and defending a water and electric power grid for the locals. That gives them something tangible to fight for and offers immediate improvement to their lives. You want to attract more people and fighters to your cause? Give them water and electricity. Just about everything else follows.


Morning Captain, good point. But I see value to both points, IF administered conscientiously.

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This sounds just to good to be true-open ended spending without appropriate oversight. This "tool" works as a matter of immediacy but doesn't account for long term. The same munitions and weapons can be used against our enemy one day and then turned on us the next. Alliances in the middle east change too quickly. It is merely a matter of survival. I don't think giving a Soldier this ability is good battlefield strategy or national policy. It would appear that we need to embed "spooks" into our special ops ranks. This way, the funding is approved and secondly it leaves covert ops in the hands of the folks that are supposed to being managing it in the first place. OR, send a special ops guru to CIA financial management training. He gets to do his job but also leaves an audit trail for the GAO to investigate. Again, it's a win/win situation.
 
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This sounds just to good to be true-open ended spending without appropriate oversight. This "tool" works as a matter of immediacy but doesn't account for long term. The same munitions and weapons can be used against our enemy one day and then turned on us the next. Alliances in the middle east change too quickly. It is merely a matter of survival. I don't think giving a Soldier this ability is good battlefield strategy or national policy. It would appear that we need to embed "spooks" into our special ops ranks. This way, the funding is approved and secondly it leaves covert ops in the hands of the folks that are supposed to being managing it in the first place. OR, send a special ops guru to CIA financial management training. He gets to do his job but also leaves an audit trail for the GAO to investigate. Again, it's a win/win situation.


Morning Sarge, very true, but teh thing is it has been doen all along, they just want to keep the funds in the hands of the Sepc Ops people instead of the Company.

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Praxistaid, with your recent post you have proven that you are not only ignorant to Special Operations and its operational capabilities but that you are also the one who is nutless and gutless. Go back briefly in history and take a look at the begining of this most current turd hunt in Afghanistan and study the missions and accomplishments of Special Opns. Even you may be enlightened assuming that you can read.
 
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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,149641,00.html

"Counterterrorism tool?"
No one should be complaining about politicians taking contr. from thugs: remember, bribery's just another tool! Besides, spec. ops. types aren't what they were 40 yr ago: today, they're just more video game wonks & bloggers; more nutless & gutless. I wouldn't trust 'em to go grocery shopping.

Whoever came up with the idea to misuse the word "tool" should be publicly executed. Very slowly.


Let me guess, Praxistiad. Your one of those types who didn't have the balls to try out for Special Operations, so you make up for it by trash talking. Nice.
 
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Ah the good ole 60's are making a come back. Hey Sarge where is my gold Rolex?
I was thinking the same thing,Air America, Arming the tribesmen etc etc Applause
 
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If a tree falls in a forest and lands on a politician, even if you can't hear the tree or the screams, I'll bet you'd at least hear the applause.
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For the uninitiated, this is nothing new. Money, the cold hard cash kind, has always been used in intel operations, either offensive or defensive, and in counter terrorism. Other incentives have also been used; booze, broads, guys (equal opportunity for both men and women), cigarettes (in very poor countries), drugs, weapons and the list goes on.

We also have taken weapons form one area and have transported them to other areas to help the poor indigenous freedom fighters in their cause. Case in point, the fight by the Mujahideen rebels against the Soviets in Afghanistan. We shipped thousands of AK-47s from one part of the world to them, plus a whole plethora of weapons, both small and large, and an occasional surface to air anti aircraft missile. Of course, there is the occasional blowback when the locals turn the weapons against us. But hey, the arms industry needs our support!

This just seems to be more open. Kind of like the free enterprise thing extended by the government. Ain’t it great! Have a good day!~~!
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For the uninitiated, this is nothing new. Money, the cold hard cash kind, has always been used in intel operations, either offensive or defensive, and in counter terrorism. Other incentives have also been used; booze, broads, guys (equal opportunity for both men and women), cigarettes (in very poor countries), drugs, weapons and the list goes on.

We also have taken weapons form one area and have transported them to other areas to help the poor indigenous freedom fighters in their cause. Case in point, the fight by the Mujahideen rebels against the Soviets in Afghanistan. We shipped thousands of AK-47s from one part of the world to them, plus a whole plethora of weapons, both small and large, and an occasional surface to air anti aircraft missile. Of course, there is the occasional blowback when the locals turn the weapons against us. But hey, the arms industry needs our support!

This just seems to be more open. Kind of like the free enterprise thing extended by the government. Ain’t it great! Have a good day!~~!
Wink Cool


Oh, I don't think you have to go that far out of the news for that ... take a close look at what we did in Anbar. Hand wads of cash to the Sheiks to fight Al Qaeda in Iraq, and POOF! AQI dwindles to nothing in Anbar. The possibility that the Sheiks were AQI in Anbar seems to have been overlooked, and it certainly didn't keep them from emptying the province of any stray Shia who were still around. Cool
 
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Didn't we have a report just about 2 months agao that the Army has misplaced over 150,000 weapons to be distributed to "freindlies"? If they can't account for those, why should they have a 25 million dollar blank check to squander and have no accounting for it?
I also remember a few persons, especially Air force, that made some goodly amounts from "attaining funds" from military clubs in Nam and used those "questionable funds" to start their own businesses and now are millionaires at tax payer expense. The GAO finds these things years later and writes it off to "filtering through the floorbloards".
 
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Just another case of Fraud, Waste, and Abuse.
Most units cannot account for property, never mind millions of dollars. Let the SF Community do their job, and you will see results. Buying information is a great tool in law enforcement.
Dealing with terrorists, is a different story.
 
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For the uninitiated, this is nothing new. Money, the cold hard cash kind, has always been used in intel operations, either offensive or defensive, and in counter terrorism. Other incentives have also been used; booze, broads, guys (equal opportunity for both men and women), cigarettes (in very poor countries), drugs, weapons and the list goes on.

We also have taken weapons form one area and have transported them to other areas to help the poor indigenous freedom fighters in their cause. Case in point, the fight by the Mujahideen rebels against the Soviets in Afghanistan. We shipped thousands of AK-47s from one part of the world to them, plus a whole plethora of weapons, both small and large, and an occasional surface to air anti aircraft missile. Of course, there is the occasional blowback when the locals turn the weapons against us. But hey, the arms industry needs our support!

This just seems to be more open. Kind of like the free enterprise thing extended by the government. Ain’t it great! Have a good day!~~!
Wink Cool


Oh, I don't think you have to go that far out of the news for that ... take a close look at what we did in Anbar. Hand wads of cash to the Sheiks to fight Al Qaeda in Iraq, and POOF! AQI dwindles to nothing in Anbar. The possibility that the Sheiks were AQI in Anbar seems to have been overlooked, and it certainly didn't keep them from emptying the province of any stray Shia who were still around. Cool
And don't forget that in Afghanistan it was the U.S. that trained the bearded one that we now hunt. How long did it take for him to turn against us and declare a Jihad. Be very careful who we arm for the next person they shoot may be one of us.
 
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