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This subject has been kicked to death on this forum in the past few years. Mind you it does provoke strong opinions from lots of people.
I think the main question is does the USA need a draft system? Or can you do just fine without it. Cry Haddock! Let slip the Cod of War! Captain Birdseye. |
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-Your Mistaken, since one signs a contract with an 8 Year Committment, just serving your 3 years active duty doesnt negate the other 5 years. |
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YES -- IMPLEMENTED; NEVER! Any Questions? ""I think it makes sense to certainly consider it," Army Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute said in an interview with National Public Radio's "All Things Considered." "And I can tell you, this has always been an option on the table. But ultimately, this is a policy matter between meeting the demands for the nation's security by one means or another," Lute added in his first interview since he was confirmed by the Senate in June. President Nixon abolished the draft in 1973. Restoring it, Lute said, would be a "major policy shift" and Bush has made it clear that he doesn't think it's necessary." From A Proud Vietnam Veteran |
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IMHO, these are easy questions with simple answers:
Now we're stuck, and it's facing up to the implications that's d*mn tough. If high taxes and a draft are necessary to win a COIN war, how many are willing to pay? |
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My self I see a possible reasion to bring back the draft. As long as both genders are subject to it. and the deferment are re-look at be for implimation.
Hitch time 2 yr Active, 2 yr IRR. My $0.02 |
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It would make sense to have a military to support whatever our foreign policy goals are. |
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Just trying to remember when the last time our federal government made a decision that made sense that always had a positive return to this country as a whole. |
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They should bring back the draft, or institute a 2-year compulsory service after H.S.
You could still have the RE-enlistment bonuses that someone was saying would go away. You would also have a lot more disciplined civilian workforce after several years. You'd also have a more level playing field for jobs when people got out, along with more people going to college. NOT instituting some form of mandatory mitlitary service is stupid, especially since we're going to be in this GWOT for a generation or more, like it or not... |
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I was talking about this badly mismanaged war earlier today, as I typically do, when it occured to me that corporate business tactics brought in by the Bush administration might just be to blame for our lack of ability in the realm of national motivation. While these tactics, which rely upon secrecy between competing businesses, work for maintaining an upper hand in the market, they do absolutely nothing for national motivation which requires that our goals be clearly and consisly understood by the public at large. (Details are another story, but we are not talking about the detailed war plan we'll be using at this level.)
Misinformation, shared with the purpose of misleading our enemies, has had the undesireable effect of creating mistrust within the United States. For this reason the war effort, as approached by the Bush administration, has failed to rally the support of those who matter most, our community of would be recruits. These individuals truly do not understand what our plan of action is, not even in simple terms, and so have not presented themselves for service. At this point, even if we are to rely upon a draft, the leadership must change if a positive effect is to be achieved. Hiding the many mistakes of this crew behind carefully phrased statements simply does not make the past go away, and neither will the memories of Americans be induced to fade through these means. The current approach is incredibly unpopular, and so are all those who have supported it despite the vast lack of success. (Success being no more or less than a functioning government in Iraq, one that can provide reliable services to its people and can be relied upon to defend itself against insurgency and foreign invasion.) Something that we have in limited supply in Afghanistan, although we may be in danger of losing it. Perhaps the most damaging strategic mistake made thus far has been the decision to assume that technologically advanced weaponry would ensure our victory. Nations and armies have throughout time made the error of believing in this falsehood. Those who did also have a healthy reliance upon the physical ability and motivation of their warriors and recruiting pool were able to overcome this error. Those who did not suffered the consequences. |
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Four (4) years active commitment and four (4) years reserve commitment. UNIVERSALLY applied. Male and female, including "differently-abled" persons. Commencing within thirty days of the eighteenth birthday.
Not all commitment to armed forces, necessarily. Forestry, land-management, health care, certain administrative postings, whatever, but ALL in uniform of one type or another. There are jobs for all of these people. If your disability is, say, you are a "Moron" (IQ below 60) you can still be trained to paint rocks or whatever, releasing another person for other duties (just an example). Paraplegics can operate telephones and computers. Etc, etc. |
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To all of those servicemembers out there. It is time to deploy, ALL. And when all have felt the scorching sand, then consider the options. As long as we have personnel that have not deployed, then the use of IRR and a draft, only keeps them in their safe place longer. This is only my thought, but, when servicemembers are on their 2nd 3rd 4th tours and some haven't even ever deployed I would say its time to do a changing of the guard. Give'em some relief.
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My grandson was on his fourth tour of Afghanistan, he gets 142 days off and back again. He's a 'lifer' and loves the Army but this is a bit too much.......
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 I don' know why we are discussing this when we all know the answer already! Congress will not allow a draft unless their is true imminent danger to the Country. Just before WWII started the President and Congress started the draft when it looks like Hitler will started WWII. Now that I said that let get down today's subject. Congress will never and I mean never allow the draft to start. Why if that happen that might put their little darlings Sons and Daughters in harms way! And if they do they will make sure their will be some kind of deferments put in place so they won't be drafted. Thats what happen during the Vietnam War. They had deferments put in that if you were going to College you did not have to go. Then Congress stop that and thats when the Anti War protest started taking off!. Now I have a question and I hope someone have the answer. How many in Congress have any of their Sons and Daughters fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is it 10%, 5% or less then 1%? What ever the answer is any of those numbers are too small to really represent those who have gone and those who do have their Sons and Daughters over there!!! If they do start the draft then their should be NO DEFERMENTS! Unless you have a severe medical problem then they can avoid the draft. Every, and I mean everybody goes! |
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Anyone who served with those from the draft era knows the many pieces of crap that went into the military. Keep it the best. All volunteer. I am totally against the Jail or military option. we don't need those types serving in our armed forces. I remember barracks being so crime ridden, OOD's being afraid for their safety to walk through barracks, drugs being used in the open. I never want to see that again.
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You have just described your average socialist strategy. So we are to become communist in order to defeat Middle Eastern extremists? |
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I think Gen Lute is off base and a draft is not necessary. What needs to happen is a shift in the benefits and perks for military service. We had an ALL voluntary Army of over 800,000 in the 80's. I think the outlays of Federal dollars needs to be changed by Congess. If you don't serve the Nation in some capacity, YOU don't get any Federal dollars! A volunteer Army of 750,000 would meet our strategic needs and yes it would be expensive, but if the outlays of Federal money were aligned correctly, it could be paid for. No longer should there be a free ride to college or any grants unless they are tied to service to the Nation. And this service could be expanded to include other options other than Military Service.
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Wishful thinking SSG. You and I both know that there will always be an entitlement community in and out of the military who not only believe that they are above combat duty, but will work to ensure that their own never so much as serve in a combat zone. These individuals will reap the rewards of military service, while those who do the work pin their medals on their dress uniforms then turn around and deploy again. I wish to God that this was not so. Our nation would be far stronger if it were not. Experience, however, has taught me that this is the way of the world and not even the fear of enemy assualt can change it. |
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This idea will go down like a "Led Zeppelin"
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This should have happened, but has not happened, in every conflict that the United States military ever engaged in. In fact, it has never been the case that all military personnel were required to serve anywhere near the battlefield. I'd love to see it happen though. |
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The Simple Logistics alone preclude a resumption of the Draft. The last time it was in effect Our Military Infastructure was FAR Larger.
Drill Sergeants Support Staff Range Cadres Housing Basing Ammunition Training Areas where does it magically to appear from? |
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