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If there were no doubt in the enemy's mind that we could and would fight for 5, 10, or 100 years do you think they'd be fighting now?

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Originally posted by antarctica_moon:

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Originally posted by klassylady25:

Why is it so easy for people to forget the loss and devistation of 9-11? As for conspiracy theory, we are a nation being pulled apart because we've got our head so far in the sand and are running scared at every shadow we see.
Run bunny run!

Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/08/20060821.html

QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with that?

THE PRESIDENT: What did Iraq have to do with what?

QUESTION: The attacks upon the World Trade Center.

THE PRESIDENT: Nothing, except for it's part of -- and nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a -- the lesson of September the 11th is, take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody has ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq. I have suggested, however, that resentment and the lack of hope create the breeding grounds for terrorists who are willing to use suiciders to kill to achieve an objective. I have made that case.

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Originally posted by 12678555:
I just want my husband to come home its time to let the baby bird to leave the nest to fight its own battle.


Most important post thus far on this thread.

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Originally posted by schmiddc:

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If there were no doubt in the enemy's mind that we could and would fight for 5, 10, or 100 years do you think they'd be fighting now?

So you are implying that this is some kind of weird pscyological/political game of chicken??
So I'm guessing it goes: if they think we are crazy enough to actually waste the next 100 years and untold TRILLIONS of dollars fighting them, they'll just quit. But of course, the only way to convince them that we are actually crazy enough to do this is to put forth the bogus assertion that the majority of the public actually thinks this is a good idea, and marginalize anyone who would dare to criticize it...

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Originally posted by klassylady25:
What different does it make? You just can't spend money like water and think that everything's going to be fine. Try that with your credit card sometime.

I don't use plastic.

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Originally posted by klassylady25:

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Originally posted by antarctica_moon:

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Originally posted by klassylady25:

Why is it so easy for people to forget the loss and devistation of 9-11? As for conspiracy theory, we are a nation being pulled apart because we've got our head so far in the sand and are running scared at every shadow we see.
Run bunny run!

Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/08/20060821.html

QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with that?

THE PRESIDENT: What did Iraq have to do with what?

QUESTION: The attacks upon the World Trade Center.

THE PRESIDENT: Nothing, except for it's part of -- and nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a -- the lesson of September the 11th is, take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody has ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq. I have suggested, however, that resentment and the lack of hope create the breeding grounds for terrorists who are willing to use suiciders to kill to achieve an objective. I have made that case.

We did not create the breeding grounds for terrorists, their own people did. They just need a way to make it right and a Holy Jehad is as good a place as any to start. That also requires a target. Tag - we're it!!

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Originally posted by Ol_Doc:
Let's not rewrite history based on the media. Neither the democratic nor the republican administrations during the Vietnam War had a plan to win. Listen to the White House Tapes available on-line. We never had a plan to win. If you want to blame someone, blame both political parties.

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Originally posted by bjpeters:

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Originally posted by Ol_Doc:
Let's not rewrite history based on the media. Neither the democratic nor the republican administrations during the Vietnam War had a plan to win. Listen to the White House Tapes available on-line. We never had a plan to win. If you want to blame someone, blame both political parties.

That is the nutshell of it all: both Political Parties. It's the Politicians that get our troops into wars, it's the Politicans that direct our troops how to fight, it's the Politicians that ultimately make the decisions invovling the wars and how they are fought. If it was the left to the Military, this fight would've been over long ago. Korea and Vietnam were two very important history lesson's our Politicians forget or didn't learn from. So we're repeating history in Iraq fighting a 'police-action'-type of war. We won the Second World War because our Military was allowed to fight it as a war. History has proven over and over again, how wars are won. This 'war' will end like all others our Military has been involved in since Korea, no matter who is President nor what Political party is in control of Congress.

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Originally posted by helez:
RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,164758,00.html

WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU EXPECT GEORGE BUSH's GENERAL TO SAY. The surge wasn't really a temporary surge, but a true expansion of American involvement all the time !

Thank God we shall have new leadership in ten months.

I have the audacity to hope for disengagement in 2009 !

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Originally posted by klassylady25:
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Oh, and Iraq had as much to do with Sept 11th as Bush did... Where is that tin foil hat...

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Originally posted by antarctica_moon:

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Originally posted by klassylady25:

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Originally posted by antarctica_moon:

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Originally posted by klassylady25:

Why is it so easy for people to forget the loss and devistation of 9-11? As for conspiracy theory, we are a nation being pulled apart because we've got our head so far in the sand and are running scared at every shadow we see.
Run bunny run!

Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/08/20060821.html

QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with that?

THE PRESIDENT: What did Iraq have to do with what?

QUESTION: The attacks upon the World Trade Center.

THE PRESIDENT: Nothing, except for it's part of -- and nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a -- the lesson of September the 11th is, take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody has ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq. I have suggested, however, that resentment and the lack of hope create the breeding grounds for terrorists who are willing to use suiciders to kill to achieve an objective. I have made that case.

We did not create the breeding grounds for terrorists, their own people did. They just need a way to make it right and a Holy Jehad is as good a place as any to start. That also requires a target. Tag - we're it!!

uh... what are you trying to say? What does that have to do with 9-11 and why we're in Iraq?

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Originally posted by klassylady25:
Actually no, it would not be going somewhere else... before the war politicains spent billions yes, but not this much... Big government and Bush took it to a new level

And I'll be here 10 months from now to hear some of the very same people lambast the "new" president. WE are big government. If you don't want the things you see in big government vote for someone who is responsible and won't make him/herself a millionaire from the backs of the people.

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This 'war' will end like all others our Military has been involved in since Korea, no matter who is President nor what Political party is in control of Congress.

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Originally posted by klassylady25:

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Originally posted by antarctica_moon:

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Originally posted by klassylady25:

Why is it so easy for people to forget the loss and devistation of 9-11? As for conspiracy theory, we are a nation being pulled apart because we've got our head so far in the sand and are running scared at every shadow we see.
Run bunny run!

Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/08/20060821.html

QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with that?

THE PRESIDENT: What did Iraq have to do with what?

QUESTION: The attacks upon the World Trade Center.

THE PRESIDENT: Nothing, except for it's part of -- and nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a -- the lesson of September the 11th is, take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody has ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq. I have suggested, however, that resentment and the lack of hope create the breeding grounds for terrorists who are willing to use suiciders to kill to achieve an objective. I have made that case.

We did not create the breeding grounds for terrorists, their own people did. They just need a way to make it right and a Holy Jehad is as good a place as any to start. That also requires a target. Tag - we're it!!

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Originally posted by Holynotsomuch:
A man can dream Klassy, a man can dream... But what I find funny is that the ones in office today pretend to be small men of government...

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10, or 100 years do you think they'd be fighting now?

So you are implying that we approach this like some kind of weird pscyological/political game of chicken??
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That's your characterization. But not to worry, this nation has enough freedom and money to allow folks the luxury of quitting. This nation no longer has the stomach...or the brains to really win.
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So I'm guessing it goes like this: if they think we are crazy enough to actually waste the next 100 years and untold TRILLIONS of dollars fighting them, they'll just quit.

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If they KNEW they'd never even have started. I don't think bin Laden suspected he'd have to live the rest of his life in a hole. Notice there haven't been too many like him since, that have survived.
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But of course, the only way to convince them that we are actually crazy enough to do this is to put forth the bogus assertion that the majority of the public actually thinks this is a good idea..
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No that wouldn't work, there couldn't be anything bogus about it. We as a nation would have to be completely willing to see what we started, through. As it is we don't deserve to win, we don't deserve the security, we deserve to suffer whatever prices OPEC and whatever injustices Dar al Islam sees fit to dispense because as a nation we've lost our fortitude, and guts. It just costs too much money. It bites into that vacation condo, third car, big screen TV we all need. And God forbid we might have to ante up and go there or something.
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Oh yah, I love where this is going...

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You mean the part where our daughters, grandaughters and wives are wrapped in hijabs and beaten for laughing in public? You mean in the next half century when we will consider ourselves lucky if we can manage to marry our daughters off to a wealthy Chinese or Arab businessman?
If we lose the first battle in the war on terror because we got tired of it, we might as well pack it in. Those 4000 lives and three years of my life have been wasted.
I'm glad I went there. It made me so appreciative of what I have here. I'd like to share it with the people of Iraq. I wish they could someday have this. But us Americans will probably just take our candy and go back inside until the Islamic world knocks on our door again. Hope they don't break it down.

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Originally posted by Duster6:
We, as Americans must sacrifice. Things are not that bad yet. We still have until the end of 2014 before Medicare runs dry. We have until 2041 until social security dries up. Gas prices have not hit $5.00/Gal. yet and the last time I checked a loaf of bread was still under $3.00. Detroit is still pumping out 400hp vehicles, Disney World has not lowered their tickets, more politicians then ever before are committing sex crimes, our electric, water, and phone bills are not getting cheaper, and our boarders are still open. So whats so bad about spending $12 Billion a month in Iraq. Someday many of you all will be able to tell your Grandchildren that you watched America go from a Capitalistic Society to a Socialist one.