"http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570469,00.html?test=latestnews"

Basically the gist of this article is that the Global Warming Hysterical "scientists" have been basing their papers and other work on "models" that indicate we're heading toward a catastrophe but these "scientists" based their models on flawed and unreliable data....

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Originally posted by NickBrand:
"http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570469,00.html?test=latestnews"

Basically the gist of this article is that the Global Warming Hysterical "scientists" have been basing their papers and other work on "models" that indicate we're heading toward a catastrophe but these "scientists" based their models on flawed and unreliable data....

Mr. Al Gore has made "MEGA" bucks to this issue. Whether this issue is true or not, proponents are making money! The scientific community is split and if our world is cooling down, someone there will make MEGA bucks too...It sound like "business" as usual.

Oh Damn, Nick. Now you've done it you heretic, you blasphemer. How dare you go against the masters of the universe and the indisputable and overwhelming evidence that we are all doomed from the plaque of global warming that we have shamefully brought on ourselves from burning all that evil fossil fuel.

Of course family will soon be here to tell you all that the warming is so chronic that it actually causes these periods of cooling because it is destroying the oceans.

I offered an excuse for the cooling that I thought for sure these quacksters would go for.
it is this...
The global economic slump has resulted in less fossil fuels being used and therefore resulted in lower temperatures due to much much less carbon dioxide being pumped into the atmosphere.
So see? if we just stop using fossil fuels altogether today we will fix the earth by next spring. So what if Solar and wind is unreliable, we can always eat cold cuts on cloudy days and watch TV on windy days

From the article:

"A few years of cooling doesn't mean that people aren't heating up the planet over the long term. But the cooling wasn't predicted by all the computer models that underlie climate science. That has led to one point of agreement: The models are imperfect.

"There is a lot of room for improvement" in the models, says Mojib Latif, a climate scientist in Germany and co-author of a paper predicting the planet will cool for perhaps a decade before starting to warm again — a long-term trend he attributes to greenhouse-gas emissions. "You need to know what you can believe and can't believe from the models."

Imperfections in the models do no invalidate the basic idea that human activity is having an adverse impact on global climate.

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:
Oh Damn, Nick. Now you've done it you heretic, you blasphemer. How dare you go against the masters of the universe and the indisputable and overwhelming evidence that we are all doomed from the plaque of global warming that we have shamefully brought on ourselves from burning all that evil fossil fuel.

Of course family will soon be here to tell you all that the warming is so chronic that it actually causes these periods of cooling because it is destroying the oceans.

I offered an excuse for the cooling that I thought for sure these quacksters would go for.
it is this...
The global economic slump has resulted in less fossil fuels being used and therefore resulted in lower temperatures due to much much less carbon dioxide being pumped into the atmosphere.
So see? if we just stop using fossil fuels altogether today we will fix the earth by next spring. So what if Solar and wind is unreliable, we can always eat cold cuts on cloudy days and watch TV on windy days

No No No. You got it all wrong. All the hot air is stuck in a bubble in Washington DC.

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Originally posted by ohana10:

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Originally posted by NickBrand:
"http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570469,00.html?test=latestnews"

Basically the gist of this article is that the Global Warming Hysterical "scientists" have been basing their papers and other work on "models" that indicate we're heading toward a catastrophe but these "scientists" based their models on flawed and unreliable data....

Mr. Al Gore has made "MEGA" bucks to this issue. Whether this issue is true or not, proponents are making money! The scientific community is split and if our world is cooling down, someone there will make MEGA bucks too...It sound like "business" as usual.

Yep! The same Pomp-ass Al Gore who doesn't practice what he is preaching to us common folk! Do as I say not what I do fool who still fly and chauffeur in spewing petroleum base vehicles. And his excuse is "I bought carbon off-set stocks!!! That's like me taking off all smog control devises on my car and use that excuse so I can get a few extra miles on a tank of gas!!. Yep the same pomp-ass fool who use our tax dollars to get a all electric car industry to start up. Except what he did not tell you is that the price of this electric car will be over $80,000 dollars and it will NOT BE MADE HERE but made in the country Finland!!! OOOOHHHHH, that's right, he help a little bit in destroying/shipping our manufacturing base oversea. I have NO RESPECT for this oily snake of a politician who only cares about himself and what power, if any, he can keep while secretly giving a middle finger to us U.S. Citizen and Legal Immigrants....

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Imperfections in the models do no invalidate the basic idea that human activity is having an adverse impact on global climate.

Perhaps not ... but they do throw into question the conclusions derived from the models ...

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Originally posted by Motive25:
From the article:

"A few years of cooling doesn't mean that people aren't heating up the planet over the long term. But the cooling wasn't predicted by all the computer models that underlie climate science. That has led to one point of agreement: The models are imperfect.

"There is a lot of room for improvement" in the models, says Mojib Latif, a climate scientist in Germany and co-author of a paper predicting the planet will cool for perhaps a decade before starting to warm again — a long-term trend he attributes to greenhouse-gas emissions. "You need to know what you can believe and can't believe from the models."

Imperfections in the models do no invalidate the basic idea that human activity is having an adverse impact on global climate.

When I pass gas it has a yet undetected influence on climate. Look out for me if that changes!

Imperfections in the models? Note that its a basic idea or an assumption or a hypothesis. The "science" is one thing, the collection, evaluation, and interpretation seems to be another with outside influences and a greed for money.

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:

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Imperfections in the models do no invalidate the basic idea that human activity is having an adverse impact on global climate.

Perhaps not ... but they do throw into question the conclusions derived from the models ...

Skepticism is a healthy part of good science but throwing out the baby with the bath water is counter productive. Glacial retreat, polar ice melt, the opening of the NW Passage and changes in animal distribution all at unprecedented rates indicate that changes are occurring. Improving the model(s) not trashing them for political expediency is the answer.

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unprecedented rates

How long of a time frame are you basing that statement. 5 years, 10 years, 100 years......

ssgduke56
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Yep! The same Pomp-ass Al Gore who doesn't practice what he is preaching to us common folk! Do as I say not what I do fool who still fly and chauffeur in spewing petroleum base vehicles. And his excuse is "I bought carbon off-set stocks!!! That's like me taking off all smog control devises on my car and use that excuse so I can get a few extra miles on a tank of gas!!. Yep the same pomp-ass fool who use our tax dollars to get a all electric car industry to start up. Except what he did not tell you is that the price of this electric car will be over $80,000 dollars and it will NOT BE MADE HERE but made in the country Finland!!! OOOOHHHHH, that's right, he help a little bit in destroying/shipping our manufacturing base oversea. I have NO RESPECT for this oily snake of a politician who only cares about himself and what power, if any, he can keep while secretly giving a middle finger to us U.S. Citizen and Legal Immigrants....

Al Gore isn't a azzhole, he's what comes out of a azzhole.

65million years ago the CO2in the atmosphere was up to 6,000 parts per million. There was no "runaway greenhouse" effect as is proposed by the Goreans. Today it is about 385 ppm.

The idea that all humanity adding 2 ppm annually (if, indeed, we are, the question is still not proved) will shortly cause a catastrophy is madness. At this rate, it will be at least 2500 years before we reach that level of saturation.

Satalite photography shows that our little friends, the blue-green Algy, are increasing in numbers and rapidly converting CO2 into O and the C into their bodies. Will this change things by knocking down CO2 to some lower count? NO ONE can say for sure.

Even if the USA stopped ALL CO2 production, and anthropogenic CO2 was in fact the source of the increase, less than ONE part per million would be affected. And we are talking 20% reduction over 20 years. So far below the mathmatical margins of error as to be dropped from any equasion.

This CAP AND CRAP plan, like the Unhealthy Care Plan have everything to do with imposing the Obama Admin's Statist agends and nothing to ddo with climate or IMPOROVED QUALITY health care.

BTW, A FLAWED MODEL THAT SUPPOSEDLY CHARTS CLIMATE THAT FAILS THE REAL PRESENT TIME TEST OF ACCURACY IS WORTHLESS.

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Glacial retreat, polar ice melt, the opening of the NW Passage and changes in animal distribution all at unprecedented rates indicate that changes are occurring.

True enough ... but the occurrences don't define or validate the cause(s).

The wild claims that some of the more extreme "climate changers" make ... that subsequently don't prove out, discredits on the one hand and polarizes needlessly on the other.

An example is the annual prediction of record numbers and strength of hurricanes that seems to be a perennial favorite ...

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:

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Glacial retreat, polar ice melt, the opening of the NW Passage and changes in animal distribution all at unprecedented rates indicate that changes are occurring.

True enough ... but the occurrences don't define or validate the cause(s).

The wild claims that some of the more extreme "climate changers" make ... that subsequently don't prove out, discredits on the one hand and polarizes needlessly on the other.

An example is the annual prediction of record numbers and strength of hurricanes that seems to be a perennial favorite ...

Agreed absolutely Q. The extremists stir the pot to support their personal agenda thereby making rational decision making much more difficult. This flows to many arenas where there are serious questions that need clear thinking not emotional outbursts based on perceived fears.

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Originally posted by BAGodbehere:
ssgduke56
New Member

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Yep! The same Pomp-ass Al Gore who doesn't practice what he is preaching to us common folk! Do as I say not what I do fool who still fly and chauffeur in spewing petroleum base vehicles. And his excuse is "I bought carbon off-set stocks!!! That's like me taking off all smog control devises on my car and use that excuse so I can get a few extra miles on a tank of gas!!. Yep the same pomp-ass fool who use our tax dollars to get a all electric car industry to start up. Except what he did not tell you is that the price of this electric car will be over $80,000 dollars and it will NOT BE MADE HERE but made in the country Finland!!! OOOOHHHHH, that's right, he help a little bit in destroying/shipping our manufacturing base oversea. I have NO RESPECT for this oily snake of a politician who only cares about himself and what power, if any, he can keep while secretly giving a middle finger to us U.S. Citizen and Legal Immigrants....

Al Gore isn't a azzhole, he's what comes out of a azzhole.

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:

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Glacial retreat, polar ice melt, the opening of the NW Passage and changes in animal distribution all at unprecedented rates indicate that changes are occurring.

True enough ... but the occurrences don't define or validate the cause(s).

The wild claims that some of the more extreme "climate changers" make ... that subsequently don't prove out, discredits on the one hand and polarizes needlessly on the other.

An example is the annual prediction of record numbers and strength of hurricanes that seems to be a perennial favorite ...

Lets say for the sake of the argument that Globule Warming is true and the whole world comply to stop all emissions that suppose to cause this problem. And now lets say globule warming is STILL continuing, what now?!! We have to remember this that one of the culprits to globule warming is our SUN!! That's right, our Sun! That Sun of ours is not a perfect super-heating ball of flame. It wax and wane a little bit causing temperature fluctuating on our world. If I understand from our scientists that the Sun have very little or no sunspots on its surface then it did the last 25 years! This could help contribute to Globule Warming. And don't forget this, the last billions years the earth goes through Globule Warming and Cooling time after time!! We fellow human being cannot at this time control events that will happen to this world and our solar system. We have to ADAPT to changes in our world in order to survive. And mankind have been doing a pretty good job surviving. Only those who running around crying the earth is doom, the earth is doom, are the ones who most likely will be EXTINCT! I will learn to Adapt then go Extinct.... That's all I got to say about this topic......

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Originally posted by ssgduke56:

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Originally posted by ohana10:

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Originally posted by NickBrand:
"http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570469,00.html?test=latestnews"

Basically the gist of this article is that the Global Warming Hysterical "scientists" have been basing their papers and other work on "models" that indicate we're heading toward a catastrophe but these "scientists" based their models on flawed and unreliable data....

Mr. Al Gore has made "MEGA" bucks to this issue. Whether this issue is true or not, proponents are making money! The scientific community is split and if our world is cooling down, someone there will make MEGA bucks too...It sound like "business" as usual.

Yep! The same Pomp-ass Al Gore who doesn't practice what he is preaching to us common folk! Do as I say not what I do fool who still fly and chauffeur in spewing petroleum base vehicles. And his excuse is "I bought carbon off-set stocks!!! That's like me taking off all smog control devises on my car and use that excuse so I can get a few extra miles on a tank of gas!!. Yep the same pomp-ass fool who use our tax dollars to get a all electric car industry to start up. Except what he did not tell you is that the price of this electric car will be over $80,000 dollars and it will NOT BE MADE HERE but made in the country Finland!!! OOOOHHHHH, that's right, he help a little bit in destroying/shipping our manufacturing base oversea. I have NO RESPECT for this oily snake of a politician who only cares about himself and what power, if any, he can keep while secretly giving a middle finger to us U.S. Citizen and Legal Immigrants....

Why do these threads always degenerate into criticisms of Al Gore? The guy who made a movie in 2006, 9 YEARS after the Kyoto protocol, 19 YEARS after Jim Hansen testified before congress.

Your information about this electric car made in Finland is totally wrong.

68 percent of Fisker loan will finance manufacture of $39,900 "Project Nina" vehicles.

In the first stage of the program, Fisker Automotive will use a $169.3 million ATVM loan for engineering integration costs as it works with primarily U.S. suppliers to complete the company’s first vehicle, the Fisker Karma. Engineers will also design tools and equipment and develop manufacturing processes. This work will be conducted at Fisker’s Pontiac, Michigan office with support from its headquarters in Irvine, California. While the final assembly of the Karma will be done overseas, more than 65 percent (based on cost) of the parts required for Karma will come from U.S. suppliers. The four-door Karma is scheduled to appear in showrooms in summer 2010.

The second stage includes a $359.36 million ATVM loan for Fisker’s Project Nina, involving the manufacture of a plug-in hybrid in the U.S. Fisker estimates that up to 75,000-100,000 of these highly efficient vehicles will roll off assembly lines in the U.S. every year beginning in late 2012. The combined projects are anticipated to create thousands of jobs in the U.S. and provide substantial support for domestic parts suppliers saving or creating approximately 5,000 jobs.

http://www.energy.gov/news2009/8050.htm

I wonder where you got this information from? Oh yeah...

"http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/26/gore-backed-automaker-secures-m-taxpayer-loan/"

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Originally posted by ssgduke56:

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:

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Glacial retreat, polar ice melt, the opening of the NW Passage and changes in animal distribution all at unprecedented rates indicate that changes are occurring.

True enough ... but the occurrences don't define or validate the cause(s).

The wild claims that some of the more extreme "climate changers" make ... that subsequently don't prove out, discredits on the one hand and polarizes needlessly on the other.

An example is the annual prediction of record numbers and strength of hurricanes that seems to be a perennial favorite ...

Lets say for the sake of the argument that Globule Warming is true and the whole world comply to stop all emissions that suppose to cause this problem. And now lets say globule warming is STILL continuing, what now?!! We have to remember this that one of the culprits to globule warming is our SUN!! That's right, our Sun! That Sun of ours is not a perfect super-heating ball of flame. It wax and wane a little bit causing temperature fluctuating on our world. If I understand from our scientists that the Sun have very little or no sunspots on its surface then it did the last 25 years! This could help contribute to Globule Warming. And don't forget this, the last billions years the earth goes through Globule Warming and Cooling time after time!! We fellow human being cannot at this time control events that will happen to this world and our solar system. We have to ADAPT to changes in our world in order to survive. And mankind have been doing a pretty good job surviving. Only those who running around crying the earth is doom, the earth is doom, are the ones who most likely will be EXTINCT! I will learn to Adapt then go Extinct.... That's all I got to say about this topic......

Sgt. situational awareness will only increase our ability to improvise, adapt and overcome.

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Originally posted by ssgduke56:

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:

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Glacial retreat, polar ice melt, the opening of the NW Passage and changes in animal distribution all at unprecedented rates indicate that changes are occurring.

True enough ... but the occurrences don't define or validate the cause(s).

The wild claims that some of the more extreme "climate changers" make ... that subsequently don't prove out, discredits on the one hand and polarizes needlessly on the other.

An example is the annual prediction of record numbers and strength of hurricanes that seems to be a perennial favorite ...

Lets say for the sake of the argument that Globule Warming is true and the whole world comply to stop all emissions that suppose to cause this problem. And now lets say globule warming is STILL continuing, what now?!! We have to remember this that one of the culprits to globule warming is our SUN!! That's right, our Sun! That Sun of ours is not a perfect super-heating ball of flame. It wax and wane a little bit causing temperature fluctuating on our world. If I understand from our scientists that the Sun have very little or no sunspots on its surface then it did the last 25 years! This could help contribute to Globule Warming. And don't forget this, the last billions years the earth goes through Globule Warming and Cooling time after time!! We fellow human being cannot at this time control events that will happen to this world and our solar system. We have to ADAPT to changes in our world in order to survive. And mankind have been doing a pretty good job surviving. Only those who running around crying the earth is doom, the earth is doom, are the ones who most likely will be EXTINCT! I will learn to Adapt then go Extinct.... That's all I got to say about this topic......

Less sunspots means less solar activity. That validates the fact it is NOT caused by the sun. In fact, solar activity has stayed level for the past 30 years.

The Earth has warmed and cooled in the past over thousands of years. Not the kind of unprecedented increase we have seen in the past 150 years.

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Originally posted by Esample1:

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Originally posted by ssgduke56:

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Originally posted by ohana10:

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Originally posted by NickBrand:
"http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570469,00.html?test=latestnews"

Basically the gist of this article is that the Global Warming Hysterical "scientists" have been basing their papers and other work on "models" that indicate we're heading toward a catastrophe but these "scientists" based their models on flawed and unreliable data....

Mr. Al Gore has made "MEGA" bucks to this issue. Whether this issue is true or not, proponents are making money! The scientific community is split and if our world is cooling down, someone there will make MEGA bucks too...It sound like "business" as usual.

Yep! The same Pomp-ass Al Gore who doesn't practice what he is preaching to us common folk! Do as I say not what I do fool who still fly and chauffeur in spewing petroleum base vehicles. And his excuse is "I bought carbon off-set stocks!!! That's like me taking off all smog control devises on my car and use that excuse so I can get a few extra miles on a tank of gas!!. Yep the same pomp-ass fool who use our tax dollars to get a all electric car industry to start up. Except what he did not tell you is that the price of this electric car will be over $80,000 dollars and it will NOT BE MADE HERE but made in the country Finland!!! OOOOHHHHH, that's right, he help a little bit in destroying/shipping our manufacturing base oversea. I have NO RESPECT for this oily snake of a politician who only cares about himself and what power, if any, he can keep while secretly giving a middle finger to us U.S. Citizen and Legal Immigrants....

Why do these threads always degenerate into criticisms of Al Gore? The guy who made a movie in 2006, 9 YEARS after the Kyoto protocol, 19 YEARS after Jim Hansen testified before congress.

Your information about this electric car made in Finland is totally wrong.

68 percent of Fisker loan will finance manufacture of $39,900 "Project Nina" vehicles.

In the first stage of the program, Fisker Automotive will use a $169.3 million ATVM loan for engineering integration costs as it works with primarily U.S. suppliers to complete the company’s first vehicle, the Fisker Karma. Engineers will also design tools and equipment and develop manufacturing processes. This work will be conducted at Fisker’s Pontiac, Michigan office with support from its headquarters in Irvine, California. While the final assembly of the Karma will be done overseas, more than 65 percent (based on cost) of the parts required for Karma will come from U.S. suppliers. The four-door Karma is scheduled to appear in showrooms in summer 2010.

The second stage includes a $359.36 million ATVM loan for Fisker’s Project Nina, involving the manufacture of a plug-in hybrid in the U.S. Fisker estimates that up to 75,000-100,000 of these highly efficient vehicles will roll off assembly lines in the U.S. every year beginning in late 2012. The combined projects are anticipated to create thousands of jobs in the U.S. and provide substantial support for domestic parts suppliers saving or creating approximately 5,000 jobs.

http://www.energy.gov/news2009/8050.htm

I wonder where you got this information from? Oh yeah...

"http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/26/gore-backed-automaker-secures-m-taxpayer-loan/"

NO FOOL it is: ((www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/26619383/green-machine.htm))
Yes fool I did get from Fox Also my info from NBC, U.S. News and yes FOX NEWS NETWORK!!! Al Gore does not Practice what he Preach. He is like the Comedy Al Mel Brook movie History of the World Pt I/ It is good to be the King crap!!! If you do not Practice what you Preach then I have NO RESPECT FOR YOU!!!

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