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Would extend coverage to 36 million, require employers to offer insurance
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WASHINGTON - After months of struggle, House Democrats unveiled sweeping legislation Thursday to extend health care coverage to millions who lack it and create a new option of government-run insurance. A vote is likely next week on the plan patterned closely on President Barack Obama's own.

Speaking on the steps of the Capitol, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Congress was "on the cusp of delivering on the promise of making affordable, quality health insurance available to every American."

Officials said the measure, once fully phased-in over several years, would extend coverage to 96 percent of Americans. Its principal mechanism is creation of a new government-regulated insurance "exchange" where private companies would sell policies in competition with the government. Federal subsidies would be available to millions of lower-income individuals and families to help them afford the policies, and to small businesses as an incentive to offer coverage to their workers.



Large firms would be required to cover workers, and most individuals would be required to carry insurance.

The ceremony marked a pivotal moment in Democrats' yearlong attempt to answer Obama's call for legislation to remake the nation's health care system by extending insurance, ending industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions, and slowing the growth of medical spending nationwide.

Across the Capitol, Senate Democrats, too, are hoping to pass legislation by year's end. Legislation outlined by Majority Leader Harry Reid earlier this week would include an option for a government-run plan, although states could drop out if they wished, a provision not in the House measure.

Obama issued a statement saying House Democrats had reached a "critical milestone" on the road toward a health care overhaul, and singled out the proposed government insurance option. He also said the bill "clearly meets two of the fundamental criteria I have set out: It is fully paid for and will reduce the deficit in the long term."

Republican reaction was swift and critical.

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Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., head of the Republican Study Committee, issued a statement saying Democrats had produced a "government takeover that will limit choice, competition and innovation in health care while increasing costs and decreasing quality." He said the measure would kill jobs, raise taxes and inflict cuts on a program of private Medicare that provides benefits to millions of seniors.

GOP leaders long ago decided to oppose the approach requested by Obama and taken by Democrats, and health care is expected to figure in next year's congressional election campaign.

Democrats issued a statement saying their measure "lowers costs for every patient" and would not add to federal deficits. They put the cost of coverage at under $900 billion over 10 years, a total that didn't include money needed to avoid a scheduled 21 percent cut in doctor fees under Medicare, and omitted other items as well.

With Republicans expected to oppose the measure unanimously, Pelosi and her lieutenants worked for weeks to resolve differences within the Democratic rank and file.

The toughest of them covered the terms under which the government insurance option would function. Liberals generally wanted the government to dictate the rates to be paid to doctors, hospitals and other health care providers, with the fee levels linked to Medicare.

Moderates, fearing the impact on their local hospitals, held out for negotiated rates between the government and private insurers — and won.

Not all liberals were ready to sign on. Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif., a co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, was noncommittal about whether progressives would accept the negotiated rates. "This is not walkaway time and it is not acceptance time," she said.


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Democrats control 256 seats in the House, are overwhelmingly favored to win one special election next week and are competitive for another. As a result, they can afford 30 defections or more on the legislation and still prevail.

The legislation would be financed by a combination of cuts in planned Medicare spending and an income tax surcharge of 5.4 percent on individuals making at least $500,000 annually and couples making at least $1 million.

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The bill would require nearly everyone by 2013 to sign up for health coverage either through their employer, a government program or the new exchange.

In the meantime, a temporary government program would help people turned down by private insurers because of medical problems, lawmakers said. After that, insurers no longer could refuse to provide coverage to the sick, nor could they charge more because of poor health of the insured.

The plan also calls for a significant expansion of Medicaid, the federal-state health program for low-income people. And it would impose a requirement on employers to offer insurance to their workers or face penalties.

Pelosi and the leadership have yet to work out disputes over abortion services and health care for immigrants, issues that must be settled before the bill can come to a vote.

Pelosi has also said the bill would strip the health insurance industry of a long-standing exemption from antitrust laws covering market allocation, price fixing and bid rigging. Democratic officials said the bill also would give the Federal Trade Commission authority to look into the health insurance industry at its own initiative. The officials spoke Wednesday on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to pre-empt a formal announcement.

While precise figures were not immediately available, it appeared the legislation would target the drug industry for more than the $80 billion pharmaceutical firms agreed to contribute toward health care in a deal earlier this year with the White House and key senators. But the industry managed to come away with a provision worth billions: 12 years of market protection for high-tech drugs to combat cancer, Parkinson's and other deadly diseases.

Medical device makers also took a hit, with a 2.5 percent excise tax on sales of their products that is reported to cost the industry $20 billion over the next decade. A $40 billion fee on those businesses was included in a Senate Finance Committee-approved version of the legislation, but Reid is considering cutting it by as much as half.
 
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SUX .... Big Time S-U-C-K-S!!! Let's hope it is "Unconstituitional" .........."http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/28/constitutionality-of-health-overhaul-questioned/?feat=article_top10_rea" ----------"On top of all the other obstacles facing President Obama in his quest to pass health reform is this one: Does the U.S. Constitution allow the government to require uninsured Americans to buy medical insurance or impose a tax penalty if they refuse?

Congress has never before required citizens to purchase any good or service, but that is what both House and Senate health bills would mandate."
**<SNIP>** "In 1994, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office noted that a "mandate requiring all individuals to purchase health insurance would be an unprecedented form of federal action."

"The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States," the CBO said. The statement was part of an analysis of then-President Clinton's ill-fated health care reform plan, which also required that all Americans purchase health insurance plans."
 
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bring back the draft and the people can have all these things at once, serve their country, get health insurance, pay and allowences, living accomodations; etc etc.......sure would cure alot of problems.
 
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This has to be stopped NOW!

Write your Congressmen this year, vote them out next year, and Civil Disobedience if necessary!

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Speaking on the steps of the Capitol, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Congress was "on the cusp of delivering on the promise of making affordable, quality health insurance available to every American."


Affordable for who? the tax payer?

It ain't gona be affordable, we are going to pay the health care providers one way or another!

As soon as it becomes the governments bag IT WILL COST MORE, GUARUNTEED!
 
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This has to be stopped NOW!

Write your Congressmen this year, vote them out next year, and Civil Disobedience if necessary!

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You can do here
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Yippie.....Botox for everyone!!!!

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This has to be stopped NOW!

Write your Congressmen this year, vote them out next year, and Civil Disobedience if necessary!

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You can do here http://forums.military.com/eve...090056632001e........


The link is giving me an error SignalSgt.

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Working hard and smart on behalf of "We the People." Keep up the good work Madame Speaker.


"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." - T. Jefferson
 
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This has to be stopped NOW!

Write your Congressmen this year, vote them out next year, and Civil Disobedience if necessary!

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You can do here

http://forums.military.com/eve...8221/m/5090056632001

The link is giving me an error SignalSgt.

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No matter, you said you signed it already from the link I posted elsewhere. I fixed it anyway.

I just saw there is fungus amoungus...... Big Grin
 
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Working hard and smart on behalf of "We the People." Keep up the good work Madame Speaker.


Exclude me out of that we the people thing when it comes to Pelosi, Obama or any of those criminals!

Some of us in the Bay area have been trying to get rid of that facist Pelosi for years. Problem is too many dead people from Chicago have been voting out here!

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The funny thing about this whole petition is that many people in congress are already on Medicare and are already receiving public health insurance.

Even funnier is that many progressives and liberals wanted to open up the FEHBP to individuals and small businesses. It was the conservatives that opposed this.
 
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This has to be stopped NOW!

Write your Congressmen this year, vote them out next year, and Civil Disobedience if necessary!

Frisco


You can do here

http://forums.military.com/eve...8221/m/5090056632001

The link is giving me an error SignalSgt.

Frustrated Frisco


No matter, you said you signed it already from the link I posted elsewhere. I fixed it anyway.

I just saw there is fungus amoungus...... Big Grin


LOL! Like your comment!

"fungus amoungus" yeah that sums it up!

Thanks Again!

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Working hard and smart on behalf of "We the People." Keep up the good work Madame Speaker.


Exclude me out of that we the people thing when it comes to Pelosi, Obama or any of those criminals!

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lol ... Must be pure hell being you today ... lol


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That's right ... The House Speaker is working on behalf of "We the People,' the Average American citizen, and not on behalf of "They the Insurance Company's."


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That's right ... The House Speaker is working on behalf of "We the People,' the Average American citizen, and not on behalf of "They the Insurance Company's."


No, now they are working on providing insurance from the US Government Insurance Company with Piglosi as chairperson and Barry and the other dems getting a commission for every policy they force people to sign.
 
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Working hard and smart on behalf of "We the People." Keep up the good work Madame Speaker.


Exclude me out of that we the people thing when it comes to Pelosi, Obama or any of those criminals!

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lol ... Must be pure hell being you today ... lol


Yep, tough being able to change your mind when you see folks for what they are as opposed to what you thought they were or hoped they would be.
 
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Working hard and smart on behalf of "We the People." Keep up the good work Madame Speaker.


Exclude me out of that we the people thing when it comes to Pelosi, Obama or any of those criminals!

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lol ... Must be pure hell being you today ... lol


No not really, I know what my future will be, for if it comes to it I have absolutely no intention of complying with this crap if it is passed.

Am I looking forward to it - no. Yet there are times when one feels strongly enough to take a stand.

Yes I will write my Congressmen first, and campaign against those that support this as well.

Yet I feel strongly enough about this that if it comes to it, I will make my stand all the way to civil disobedience if necessary.

And yes I know the price, but there are things that must be stood against no matter the cost, and this is one of them IMO.

Just think you pay federal taxes - you will be paying for my room, board, health care, etc., ad infinitum.

Do you know how much it costs for the upkeep of a Federal inmate?

I do, and I will be mailing the bill to you personally every April 15th.

Nice, thing is none of that upkeep, fines, etc., will be paid by me.

So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

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Working hard and smart on behalf of "We the People." Keep up the good work Madame Speaker.


Exclude me out of that we the people thing when it comes to Pelosi, Obama or any of those criminals!

Frustrated Frisco
lol ... Must be pure hell being you today ... lol


Yep, tough being able to change your mind when you see folks for what they are as opposed to what you thought they were or hoped they would be.


Thank You, 67NOV.

I have had my eyes opened and I do not like what I see.

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Oh and Jack,

I own a private business as well as work for an employer. I make good money with both.

However, the minute this is signed I will be forced to lay off my employee.

Do I want too, no, she is a good friend as well as a good employee.

Yet I will not be able to help her, or keep her as an employee. Plus I will be shutting down my personal business soon thereafter.

So there are at least two jobs that will be a victim of this stupid crap your heroes are putting in.

Tell Chris how great her two son's and her health care will be when she cannot even feed them.

I will do what I can to find her something else and keep her son's fed but it won't be much because we will be hurting too!

So much for change!

Frustrated Frisco
 
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