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Originally posted by Toome:
It'll never happen. I've worked with the French, Germans, Swedes, Danes, Brits, Greeks, Italians, Poles, Russians, and Norwegians. There is so much cultural rivalry and prejudice between them. They'll work together if they have to, but I truly don't see them agreeing to work as a unified command irrespective of their home nations. Or, to put it another way, they might try to put one together in name, but it will fall apart with all the various separate national interests that will take place.

On a side note, I was truly surprised at the extent of the prejudice that exists at the troop level. I had to deal with a situation involving billeting French and British commandos in the same barracks. Each side voiced strong objections and simply refused. But I had no other way to billet each other than together. After lots of negotiating, they finally agreed, and, in true European custom (and in direct violation of General Order Number One), we sealed the deal by drowning ourselves in alcohol. Great party, Brits and French drinking together side by side, singing songs, tearing off patches and exchanging them, telling lies and war stories. The next morning they went back to "normal" and told each other to f.ck off. I saw the same with the other national armies. The Danes and Swedes were about the only ones who could genuinely work well with others. Greeks and Italians were ready to throw down any time they remotely felt offended or insulted.

Nah, this is just someone's pipe dream. It's already tricky enough to keep 'em together under the NATO banner; I just don't see a truly unified EU military ever working.

Spot on........correct.

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Originally posted by Toome:
It'll never happen. I've worked with the French, Germans, Swedes, Danes, Brits, Greeks, Italians, Poles, Russians, and Norwegians. There is so much cultural rivalry and prejudice between them. They'll work together if they have to, but I truly don't see them agreeing to work as a unified command irrespective of their home nations. Or, to put it another way, they might try to put one together in name, but it will fall apart with all the various separate national interests that will take place.

On a side note, I was truly surprised at the extent of the prejudice that exists at the troop level. I had to deal with a situation involving billeting French and British commandos in the same barracks. Each side voiced strong objections and simply refused. But I had no other way to billet each other than together. After lots of negotiating, they finally agreed, and, in true European custom (and in direct violation of General Order Number One), we sealed the deal by drowning ourselves in alcohol. Great party, Brits and French drinking together side by side, singing songs, tearing off patches and exchanging them, telling lies and war stories. The next morning they went back to "normal" and told each other to f.ck off. I saw the same with the other national armies. The Danes and Swedes were about the only ones who could genuinely work well with others. Greeks and Italians were ready to throw down any time they remotely felt offended or insulted.

Nah, this is just someone's pipe dream. It's already tricky enough to keep 'em together under the NATO banner; I just don't see a truly unified EU military ever working.

LANGE REDE ...KURZEN SINN!

Hey,you,there in Texas...the Russians and the Norweageans DO NOT BELONG TO EU!

And you worked with all those nationals may be 50 years ago...the young people nowdays are not such nationalists as their parents;they trawel a lot and theyare constantly in contact with other Europeans.

Beside this they all swollowed the American pop culture;there is ewen not difference to their American counterparts.

quote:

Originally posted by 17850093:

quote:

Originally posted by Toome:
It'll never happen. I've worked with the French, Germans, Swedes, Danes, Brits, Greeks, Italians, Poles, Russians, and Norwegians. There is so much cultural rivalry and prejudice between them. They'll work together if they have to, but I truly don't see them agreeing to work as a unified command irrespective of their home nations. Or, to put it another way, they might try to put one together in name, but it will fall apart with all the various separate national interests that will take place.

On a side note, I was truly surprised at the extent of the prejudice that exists at the troop level. I had to deal with a situation involving billeting French and British commandos in the same barracks. Each side voiced strong objections and simply refused. But I had no other way to billet each other than together. After lots of negotiating, they finally agreed, and, in true European custom (and in direct violation of General Order Number One), we sealed the deal by drowning ourselves in alcohol. Great party, Brits and French drinking together side by side, singing songs, tearing off patches and exchanging them, telling lies and war stories. The next morning they went back to "normal" and told each other to f.ck off. I saw the same with the other national armies. The Danes and Swedes were about the only ones who could genuinely work well with others. Greeks and Italians were ready to throw down any time they remotely felt offended or insulted.

Nah, this is just someone's pipe dream. It's already tricky enough to keep 'em together under the NATO banner; I just don't see a truly unified EU military ever working.

LANGE REDE ...KURZEN SINN!

Hey,you,there in Texas...the Russians and the Norweageans DO NOT BELONG TO EU!

And you worked with all those nationals may be 50 years ago...the young people nowdays are not such nationalists as their parents;they trawel a lot and theyare constantly in contact with other Europeans.

Beside this they all swollowed the American pop culture;there is ewen not difference to their American counterparts.

Many americans are not out of touch with european happenings, it's just US military has more dealings with other militiaries of other nations and we understand the countries they represent even more. You're another one talking about the civvie world only this time it's euro pop culture.

I hear tell the irish just put a nail in the coffin of the proposed EU constitution. Good for them. Keeps Brussels on their toes, and when I say Brussels, I really me the french and germans. They started all this united europe dung. Rather ironic considering all the times they went at each others throats. They may have a Lowenbrau together but deep down the french don't trust the germans....I wonder why?

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:

quote:

Originally posted by 17850093:

quote:

Originally posted by Toome:
It'll never happen. I've worked with the French, Germans, Swedes, Danes, Brits, Greeks, Italians, Poles, Russians, and Norwegians. There is so much cultural rivalry and prejudice between them. They'll work together if they have to, but I truly don't see them agreeing to work as a unified command irrespective of their home nations. Or, to put it another way, they might try to put one together in name, but it will fall apart with all the various separate national interests that will take place.

On a side note, I was truly surprised at the extent of the prejudice that exists at the troop level. I had to deal with a situation involving billeting French and British commandos in the same barracks. Each side voiced strong objections and simply refused. But I had no other way to billet each other than together. After lots of negotiating, they finally agreed, and, in true European custom (and in direct violation of General Order Number One), we sealed the deal by drowning ourselves in alcohol. Great party, Brits and French drinking together side by side, singing songs, tearing off patches and exchanging them, telling lies and war stories. The next morning they went back to "normal" and told each other to f.ck off. I saw the same with the other national armies. The Danes and Swedes were about the only ones who could genuinely work well with others. Greeks and Italians were ready to throw down any time they remotely felt offended or insulted.

Nah, this is just someone's pipe dream. It's already tricky enough to keep 'em together under the NATO banner; I just don't see a truly unified EU military ever working.

LANGE REDE ...KURZEN SINN!

Hey,you,there in Texas...the Russians and the Norweageans DO NOT BELONG TO EU!

And you worked with all those nationals may be 50 years ago...the young people nowdays are not such nationalists as their parents;they trawel a lot and theyare constantly in contact with other Europeans.

Beside this they all swollowed the American pop culture;there is ewen not difference to their American counterparts.

Many americans are not out of touch with european happenings, it's just US military has more dealings with other militiaries of other nations and we understand the countries they represent even more. You're another one talking about the civvie world only this time it's euro pop culture.

I hear tell the irish just put a nail in the coffin of the proposed EU constitution. Good for them. Keeps Brussels on their toes, and when I say Brussels, I really me the french and germans. They started all this united europe dung. Rather ironic considering all the times they went at each others throats. They may have a Lowenbrau together but deep down the french don't trust the germans....I wonder why?

Gotta love the Irish!

We have to admit, it would make it easier for Germany to do it's march ito France, just tell everyone they are on manuvers, French will never catch on.

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:

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Originally posted by 17850093:

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Originally posted by Toome:
It'll never happen. I've worked with the French, Germans, Swedes, Danes, Brits, Greeks, Italians, Poles, Russians, and Norwegians. There is so much cultural rivalry and prejudice between them. They'll work together if they have to, but I truly don't see them agreeing to work as a unified command irrespective of their home nations. Or, to put it another way, they might try to put one together in name, but it will fall apart with all the various separate national interests that will take place.

On a side note, I was truly surprised at the extent of the prejudice that exists at the troop level. I had to deal with a situation involving billeting French and British commandos in the same barracks. Each side voiced strong objections and simply refused. But I had no other way to billet each other than together. After lots of negotiating, they finally agreed, and, in true European custom (and in direct violation of General Order Number One), we sealed the deal by drowning ourselves in alcohol. Great party, Brits and French drinking together side by side, singing songs, tearing off patches and exchanging them, telling lies and war stories. The next morning they went back to "normal" and told each other to f.ck off. I saw the same with the other national armies. The Danes and Swedes were about the only ones who could genuinely work well with others. Greeks and Italians were ready to throw down any time they remotely felt offended or insulted.

Nah, this is just someone's pipe dream. It's already tricky enough to keep 'em together under the NATO banner; I just don't see a truly unified EU military ever working.

LANGE REDE ...KURZEN SINN!

Hey,you,there in Texas...the Russians and the Norweageans DO NOT BELONG TO EU!

And you worked with all those nationals may be 50 years ago...the young people nowdays are not such nationalists as their parents;they trawel a lot and theyare constantly in contact with other Europeans.

Beside this they all swollowed the American pop culture;there is ewen not difference to their American counterparts.

Many americans are not out of touch with european happenings, it's just US military has more dealings with other militiaries of other nations and we understand the countries they represent even more. You're another one talking about the civvie world only this time it's euro pop culture.

I hear tell the irish just put a nail in the coffin of the proposed EU constitution. Good for them. Keeps Brussels on their toes, and when I say Brussels, I really me the french and germans. They started all this united europe dung. Rather ironic considering all the times they went at each others throats. They may have a Lowenbrau together but deep down the french don't trust the germans....I wonder why?

THE IRISH DID NOT 2PUT ANY NAIL IN THE COFFIN OF THE EU CONSTITUTION" BECAUSE THE ISSUE THIS TIME WAS NOT THE EU CONSTITUTION BUT THE LISSBON TREATY!

The IISH are thinking that the Lisbon Treaty disadwantages their agriculture.

Anyway...it seems Sie wissen doch NICHT was passiert in the EU!


And HEY... I as BULGARIN,liwing in Germany since 1961 can tell you that GERMANS and FRENCH

hawe much more in common and trust each other much more than you are dreaming of!

YOU ARE STILL DWELLING IN THE PAST! WAKE UP! WE ARE NOW IN 2008!

And as I reside in EUROPE(of course you,Americans want a DIWIDED EUROPE in order to rule us!)I know mre about the EU than you,somewhere ther in the backyard of USA.

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Originally posted by 17850093:

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:

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Originally posted by 17850093:

quote:

Originally posted by Toome:
It'll never happen. I've worked with the French, Germans, Swedes, Danes, Brits, Greeks, Italians, Poles, Russians, and Norwegians. There is so much cultural rivalry and prejudice between them. They'll work together if they have to, but I truly don't see them agreeing to work as a unified command irrespective of their home nations. Or, to put it another way, they might try to put one together in name, but it will fall apart with all the various separate national interests that will take place.

On a side note, I was truly surprised at the extent of the prejudice that exists at the troop level. I had to deal with a situation involving billeting French and British commandos in the same barracks. Each side voiced strong objections and simply refused. But I had no other way to billet each other than together. After lots of negotiating, they finally agreed, and, in true European custom (and in direct violation of General Order Number One), we sealed the deal by drowning ourselves in alcohol. Great party, Brits and French drinking together side by side, singing songs, tearing off patches and exchanging them, telling lies and war stories. The next morning they went back to "normal" and told each other to f.ck off. I saw the same with the other national armies. The Danes and Swedes were about the only ones who could genuinely work well with others. Greeks and Italians were ready to throw down any time they remotely felt offended or insulted.

Nah, this is just someone's pipe dream. It's already tricky enough to keep 'em together under the NATO banner; I just don't see a truly unified EU military ever working.

LANGE REDE ...KURZEN SINN!

Hey,you,there in Texas...the Russians and the Norweageans DO NOT BELONG TO EU!

And you worked with all those nationals may be 50 years ago...the young people nowdays are not such nationalists as their parents;they trawel a lot and theyare constantly in contact with other Europeans.

Beside this they all swollowed the American pop culture;there is ewen not difference to their American counterparts.

Many americans are not out of touch with european happenings, it's just US military has more dealings with other militiaries of other nations and we understand the countries they represent even more. You're another one talking about the civvie world only this time it's euro pop culture.

I hear tell the irish just put a nail in the coffin of the proposed EU constitution. Good for them. Keeps Brussels on their toes, and when I say Brussels, I really me the french and germans. They started all this united europe dung. Rather ironic considering all the times they went at each others throats. They may have a Lowenbrau together but deep down the french don't trust the germans....I wonder why?

THE IRISH DID NOT 2PUT ANY NAIL IN THE COFFIN OF THE EU CONSTITUTION" BECAUSE THE ISSUE THIS TIME WAS NOT THE EU CONSTITUTION BUT THE LISSBON TREATY!

The IISH are thinking that the Lisbon Treaty disadwantages their agriculture.

Anyway...it seems Sie wissen doch NICHT was passiert in the EU!


And HEY... I as BULGARIN,liwing in Germany since 1961 can tell you that GERMANS and FRENCH

hawe much more in common and trust each other much more than you are dreaming of!

YOU ARE STILL DWELLING IN THE PAST! WAKE UP! WE ARE NOW IN 2008!

And as I reside in EUROPE(of course you,Americans want a DIWIDED EUROPE in order to rule us!)I know mre about the EU than you,somewhere ther in the backyard of USA.

I have not been back to Europe in a number of years, but I do have enough family there to know that the average American even those that have served there in the distant past do not have a clue as to what is going on.

I have to admit it is a feeling that I know only through some family and friends however the believe that the Americans need to leave and return to America and there has been no need for them since the fall of the USSR. I am mixed on that however I would rather see American troops on American soil and let Europe care for herself come what may.

I truly believe that many in America do not want to see Europe capable of competing (economically or otherwise) with the States or any country for that matter.

Frisco

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Originally posted by 17850093:



THE IRISH DID NOT 2PUT ANY NAIL IN THE COFFIN OF THE EU CONSTITUTION" BECAUSE THE ISSUE THIS TIME WAS NOT THE EU CONSTITUTION BUT THE LISSBON TREATY!

The IISH are thinking that the Lisbon Treaty disadwantages their agriculture.

Anyway...it seems Sie wissen doch NICHT was passiert in the EU!


And HEY... I as BULGARIN,liwing in Germany since 1961 can tell you that GERMANS and FRENCH

hawe much more in common and trust each other much more than you are dreaming of!

YOU ARE STILL DWELLING IN THE PAST! WAKE UP! WE ARE NOW IN 2008!

And as I reside in EUROPE(of course you,Americans want a DIWIDED EUROPE in order to rule us!)I know mre about the EU than you,somewhere ther in the backyard of USA.

Bulgaria!!!!!! Been there dude and I saw just how much the Bulgarians still love the germans, after all, Bulgaria was part of the german axis power during WWII so basically the Bulgarians are more german than bulgarian.

You are right, it was the Lisbon Treaty, but in the end the irish put a stop to it, didn't they. Wake up dude!!!!!!!!!! there are other european countries that don't want to be a part of france or germany anymore. Their power, even together, is no longer what it or they hope it would be. Both France and Germany, more Germany actually, has been nothing but a bully in europe and other countries are fed up, as the irish just demonstrated.

As for wanting to divide up Europe, we had that chance twice in the 20th century. pity we didn't do that. I think what your problem is, you were like the east germans when the wall went down and they came across and saw all the prosperity that the west had. I went across about eight months later into the old eat and, just like Bulgaria, I had entered the past. No infrastructure at all, no major roads, electricity, actually no city governments that were not still controled by the communist and in Bulgarias case, all you did was change Communism for Socialism. Go back to your own country and see just how much it prospered under communism. You probably got out before the iron curtain went up. Consider yourself lucky dude...............Germany is the way it is today because we let them build back up even better than any other time in their whole history. Ever hear of the Marshal Plan??????
OH!!! I do understand german quite well. Spent 13 years there, seven in uniform and six as a civilain working for germans. SO!!!! I do keep abreast of european happenings because I have spent most of my adult life in Europe. Lived and worked from Crete to Scotland, from Ireland to Germany and all points in-between. Got that??????????? and by the way, it is against forum proceedures to post in a foriegn language. This is a anglo speaking site.

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 17850093:I have to admit it is a feeling that I know only through some family and friends however the believe that the Americans need to leave and return to America and there has been no need for them since the fall of the USSR. I am mixed on that however I would rather see American troops on American soil and let Europe care for herself come what may.

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Frisco

Never happen.........history forbides it.

Hey NUMBERS, why don't you explain to all why ur leaders are so GUTLESS, reneging on thier NATO commitments? Have a brat and a Dab and shut up.

This EU army thing will never take off.....if i remember correctly a EU rapid reaction force/brigade thing, was proposed and accepted and what has happened to that?! Every countries foriegn policies are far to different, theres far to many differences in quality (training, equipment, etc), etc, etc............the list is endless regarding the variables! plus can you ever imagine the French allowing the working language to be English or German? and then vice-versa.

Whilst here back in the UK such a move if the UK forces where unified into a European Army that would be political suicide.

Unlike the Irish government, whom at least had the balls to ask its people what they thought of the treaty, the UK government just went ahead and ratified it knowing that if a referendum was held they would loose by rather alot (forcing them to call a general election).....i suspect the same can be said for many of the other countries whom didnt put the treaty to the vote. The entire show is being run by ideologists whom don't seem to care what the common man thinks as long as they get their way.

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Originally posted by RN_Deep_Diver:


Unlike the Irish government, whom at least had the balls to ask its people what they thought of the treaty, .

I think the above is because, when the irish joined the EU and /or ratified the Euro Constitution, it was a pre-demand that any proposed bills that required voting, Ireland would not solely vote by their government but would be put to a referendem vote by the people.

As you said, I agree, it will never happen, not just because of the language difference but the old animosities still exist. History of Europe can not be erased or forgotten among the europeans. Look at Greece/Turkey, Greece/Albania, the old Balkan countries, Poland/Russia and to a lesser extent, Ireland/England, Germany/France, Germany/Holland and the animosities go on and on.


NA!!!! never happen.

But they all serve together right now as members of NATO's ISAF forces in Afghanistan.

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Originally posted by mcgreer:
But they all serve together right now as members of NATO's ISAF forces in Afghanistan.

Huge difference between a NATO force and a proposed EU force!

Regarding NATO countries choose to contribute units and forces, there is no standing force. What the EU has been trying to propose is a single armed forces unifying its members militaries as a single entity, ineffect stripping each nation of its defence forces to create a leviathon ran from Brussels.

The major bar to it would be politics rather than different forces inter-operability.

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:


As you said, I agree, it will never happen, not just because of the language difference but the old animosities still exist. History of Europe can not be erased or forgotten among the europeans. Look at Greece/Turkey, Greece/Albania, the old Balkan countries, Poland/Russia and to a lesser extent, Ireland/England, Germany/France, Germany/Holland and the animosities go on and on.


NA!!!! never happen.

Yeh, your completely right......can you imagine the problems on the streets of Warsaw if German politicians where ordering the Polish army about?

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

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Originally posted by 17850093:

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:

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Originally posted by 17850093:

quote:

Originally posted by Toome:
It'll never happen. I've worked with the French, Germans, Swedes, Danes, Brits, Greeks, Italians, Poles, Russians, and Norwegians. There is so much cultural rivalry and prejudice between them. They'll work together if they have to, but I truly don't see them agreeing to work as a unified command irrespective of their home nations. Or, to put it another way, they might try to put one together in name, but it will fall apart with all the various separate national interests that will take place.

On a side note, I was truly surprised at the extent of the prejudice that exists at the troop level. I had to deal with a situation involving billeting French and British commandos in the same barracks. Each side voiced strong objections and simply refused. But I had no other way to billet each other than together. After lots of negotiating, they finally agreed, and, in true European custom (and in direct violation of General Order Number One), we sealed the deal by drowning ourselves in alcohol. Great party, Brits and French drinking together side by side, singing songs, tearing off patches and exchanging them, telling lies and war stories. The next morning they went back to "normal" and told each other to f.ck off. I saw the same with the other national armies. The Danes and Swedes were about the only ones who could genuinely work well with others. Greeks and Italians were ready to throw down any time they remotely felt offended or insulted.

Nah, this is just someone's pipe dream. It's already tricky enough to keep 'em together under the NATO banner; I just don't see a truly unified EU military ever working.

LANGE REDE ...KURZEN SINN!

Hey,you,there in Texas...the Russians and the Norweageans DO NOT BELONG TO EU!

And you worked with all those nationals may be 50 years ago...the young people nowdays are not such nationalists as their parents;they trawel a lot and theyare constantly in contact with other Europeans.

Beside this they all swollowed the American pop culture;there is ewen not difference to their American counterparts.

Many americans are not out of touch with european happenings, it's just US military has more dealings with other militiaries of other nations and we understand the countries they represent even more. You're another one talking about the civvie world only this time it's euro pop culture.

I hear tell the irish just put a nail in the coffin of the proposed EU constitution. Good for them. Keeps Brussels on their toes, and when I say Brussels, I really me the french and germans. They started all this united europe dung. Rather ironic considering all the times they went at each others throats. They may have a Lowenbrau together but deep down the french don't trust the germans....I wonder why?

THE IRISH DID NOT 2PUT ANY NAIL IN THE COFFIN OF THE EU CONSTITUTION" BECAUSE THE ISSUE THIS TIME WAS NOT THE EU CONSTITUTION BUT THE LISSBON TREATY!

The IISH are thinking that the Lisbon Treaty disadwantages their agriculture.

Anyway...it seems Sie wissen doch NICHT was passiert in the EU!


And HEY... I as BULGARIN,liwing in Germany since 1961 can tell you that GERMANS and FRENCH

hawe much more in common and trust each other much more than you are dreaming of!

YOU ARE STILL DWELLING IN THE PAST! WAKE UP! WE ARE NOW IN 2008!

And as I reside in EUROPE(of course you,Americans want a DIWIDED EUROPE in order to rule us!)I know mre about the EU than you,somewhere ther in the backyard of USA.

I have not been back to Europe in a number of years, but I do have enough family there to know that the average American even those that have served there in the distant past do not have a clue as to what is going on.

I have to admit it is a feeling that I know only through some family and friends however the believe that the Americans need to leave and return to America and there has been no need for them since the fall of the USSR. I am mixed on that however I would rather see American troops on American soil and let Europe care for herself come what may.

I truly believe that many in America do not want to see Europe capable of competing (economically or otherwise) with the States or any country for that matter.

Frisco

THE SOONER THEY GO to their Continent(which they stool from the Indians)...THE BETTER!

Those people do not hawe the slightest idea how to behawe in the sociaty...loud,arrogant,fullof themselwes...thinking they are the greatest in the world;the smartest ;the richest!

In reality...people with humble low life beginnings!