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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. – President Barack Obama mourned 14 Americans killed Monday in helicopter crashes in Afghanistan and told a military audience he will not be hurried as he evaluates whether to alter U.S. strategy in the war.
"I will never rush the solemn decision of sending you into harm's way. I won't risk your lives unless it is absolutely necessary," Obama said during a visit to Naval Air Station Jacksonville.
Obama is nearing a decision on whether to commit large numbers of additional troops to the war next year. His top military commander in Afghanistan favors an increase of roughly 40,000, officials have told The Associated Press, which would allow the U.S. military to expand its reach in areas of the country's south and east now under Taliban sway.
Obama's visit to the naval air station came after he convened another in a series of White House war council sessions with about a half-dozen Cabinet officials and other top advisers earlier Monday amid Republican criticism that he is taking too long to choose his next move.

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The CIC has spoken!

And...? "Politics Aside"!

AWildEagle26
Semper Fidelis

our thoughtful leader is just watching the tide.. and testing the wind. Only when it is fair to sail will he speak and weigh anchor.

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Obama says he will not rush Afghanistan decision

He shouldn’t. This is not “Risk”! Millions of lives are and will be affected by his decision(s); rushing one simply to appease the opposition or the nay sayers would be extremely unwise.

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Originally posted by NSNN:

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Obama says he will not rush Afghanistan decision

He shouldn’t. This is not “Risk”! Millions of lives are and will be affected by his decision(s); rushing one simply to appease the opposition or the nay sayers would be extremely unwise.

He should not delay making a decision if it is to see what happens with the Afgan government. The war in if Afganistan is to stop the terrorist threat to the USA. The CinC must be decisive.

He say's

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I will never rush the solemn decision of sending you into harm's way. I won't risk your lives unless it is absolutely necessary

My question is we have 31,000 soldiers there. Is he not risking there lives by refusing to reinforce them in this vital time.

2nd Why would soldiers care if he risk there lives to reinforce there buddy's over there.Anyone body here who would refuse to go there to help there buddy's out?

3rd Isn't it the military job to fight war's and isn't that in it's self risking lives?

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Originally posted by scooter_mech:

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Originally posted by NSNN:

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Obama says he will not rush Afghanistan decision

He shouldn’t. This is not “Risk”! Millions of lives are and will be affected by his decision(s); rushing one simply to appease the opposition or the nay sayers would be extremely unwise.

He should not delay making a decision if it is to see what happens with the Afgan government. The war in if Afganistan is to stop the terrorist threat to the USA. The CinC must be decisive.

For those who say the President must immediately implement General McCrystal's request, it is important to know that the President has to weigh other inputs, such as the current Army Chief of Staff General Casey.

"According to an open-source estimate of the current U.S. order of battle in Afghanistan, one Marine and six Army brigades are currently serving in Afghanistan. These seven brigades are part of the 68,000 U.S. troops in the country 68,000 U.S. troops in the country."

"Left unmentioned in all the discussion of America's interests in Afghanistan are several risks that Gen. Stanley McChrystal's request for 40,000 additional soldiers, if implemented, would create. McChrystal is asking for a permanent escalation in Afghanistan that would commit U.S. ground forces to a larger open-ended effort. Gen. George Casey, the Army chief of staff, fears that the size and duration of this commitment could eventually break the all-volunteer Army"

Another interesting quote from ForeignPolicy.com

In these terms, McChrystal's troop request is not a surge but an escalation. McChrystal's initial assessment does not define a discrete time period during which he would need the additional troops -- the request is open-ended.

Who was it that said, "It's better to go with a not so good plan today, than to wait for a perfect plan tomorrow.", or words to that effect...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

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Who was it that said, "It's better to go with a not so good plan today, than to wait for a perfect plan tomorrow.", or words to that effect...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

"A good plan implemented today is better than a perfect plan implemented tomorrow."

— George Patton

But what did George know about military matters...

somewhat respectfully, scooter_mech

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Originally posted by scooter_mech:

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Originally posted by SUNLINER81:
Who was it that said, "It's better to go with a not so good plan today, than to wait for a perfect plan tomorrow.", or words to that effect...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

"A good plan implemented today is better than a perfect plan implemented tomorrow."

— George Patton

But what did George know about military matters...

somewhat respectfully, scooter_mech

Patton followed a plan set for him by Ike .

He almost ended up on the bench for the remainder of WWII, because of his “planning” prowess.


Failure to plan is planning to fail!
~Benjamin Franklin

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Originally posted by NSNN:

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Originally posted by scooter_mech:

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Originally posted by SUNLINER81:
Who was it that said, "It's better to go with a not so good plan today, than to wait for a perfect plan tomorrow.", or words to that effect...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

"A good plan implemented today is better than a perfect plan implemented tomorrow."

— George Patton

But what did George know about military matters...

somewhat respectfully, scooter_mech

Patton followed a plan set for him by Ike .

He almost ended up on the bench for the remainder of WWII, because of his “planning” prowess.


Failure to plan is planning to fail!
~Benjamin Franklin

Actually, it was for slapping two soldiers but hey, what's historical fact have to do with it?...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

I wonder what Lee & Jackson would say?

I guess it all depends on which group you're in.

As the father of a U.S. Marine who is currently here in the U.S., I find it a bit comforting to know that the President is not taking the decision to send more troops into Afghanistan lightly.

Now, if I was the father of a service person who is already there in Afghanistan, I think I'd be screaming, "Make up your freaking mind already!!!!!", "Send in more troops or pull the ones there out!".

Don

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Originally posted by NSNN:

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Originally posted by scooter_mech:

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Originally posted by SUNLINER81:
Who was it that said, "It's better to go with a not so good plan today, than to wait for a perfect plan tomorrow.", or words to that effect...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

"A good plan implemented today is better than a perfect plan implemented tomorrow."

— George Patton

But what did George know about military matters...

somewhat respectfully, scooter_mech

Patton followed a plan set for him by Ike .

He almost ended up on the bench for the remainder of WWII, because of his “planning” prowess.


Failure to plan is planning to fail!
~Benjamin Franklin

As usual your “opinion” is at odds with reality:

Eisenhower had decided that Patton was far too valuable to the war effort to lose. His audacious, driving leadership was surely needed at this stage of the game. Eisenhower's plan was to have Patton apologize to the soldiers he had slapped and also to all of the personnel in his Army in Division formation. Knowing Patton's pride, he felt that this would be severe punishment, indeed. In Beatrice Patton's words, "The deed is done and the mistake made, and I'm sure Georgie is sorrier and has punished himself more than anyone could possibly realize ... I just hope they won't kick him to death while he's down."

“http://www.pattonhq.com/unknown/chap08.html”

Things like the Sitmulus, Crap and Trade and "Health Kontrol" must be done "yesterday" or it's the "end of life as we know it"....the war...well....that can wait, no biggie.

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Things like the Sitmulus, Crap and Trade and "Health Kontrol" must be done "yesterday" or it's the "end of life as we know it"....the war...well....that can wait, no biggie.

well, we at least know where BHO's priorities are and its NOT with the military.

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You are thoroughly entertaining.

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Originally posted by NSNN:

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Originally posted by adminnco1:

You are thoroughly entertaining.

Wow, a message from the 7th Grade...nice, very nice.

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Originally posted by NSNN:

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Originally posted by scooter_mech:

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Originally posted by SUNLINER81:
Who was it that said, "It's better to go with a not so good plan today, than to wait for a perfect plan tomorrow.", or words to that effect...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

"A good plan implemented today is better than a perfect plan implemented tomorrow."

— George Patton

But what did George know about military matters...

somewhat respectfully, scooter_mech

Patton followed a plan set for him by Ike .

He almost ended up on the bench for the remainder of WWII, because of his “planning” prowess.


Failure to plan is planning to fail!
~Benjamin Franklin

STUNNED!

"Patton was not surprised when he was summoned to Eisenhower's headquarters for an emergency meeting on 19 December. The continuing analysis of the staff, coupled with his tactical insight had allowed him to anticipate the German offensive. At his morning staff meeting he planned three possible lines of attack and coordinated a telephone code with his Chief of Staff. Everyone at Allied headquarters was stunned when Patton told Eisenhower that he could begin moving the entire Third Army immediately. Within two days the Third Army was in full battle and a week later the Germans were stopped cold. Patton's Third Army had been the key to Allied success. Outstanding staff work allowed Patton to remain at the front and conduct the battle almost entirely by phone. His anticipation and reaction to the German offensive superbly demonstrated his application of directive control and validated the method in which he directed his staff. It also serves, from both the German and American points of view, as an excellent example of maneuver warfare."

[NOT IKE]

Eight more servicemembers lost their lives today in Afghanistan bringing the death total for October to 55, making this the deadliest month since 2001. When will Obama find time between golf outtings and latin dance parties to make a decision to support our troops? This Administration is by far the most confused and indecisive Administration ever.