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During his years as an undergraduate at Manhattan College and then at New York University Law School, Giuliani qualified for a student deferment. Upon graduation from law school in 1968, he lost that temporary deferment and his draft status reverted to 1-A, the designation awarded to those most qualified for induction into the Army.

At the same time, Giuliani won a clerkship with federal Judge Lloyd McMahon in the fabled Southern District of New York, where he would become the United States attorney. He naturally had no desire to trade his ticket on the legal profession's fast track for latrine duty in the jungle. So he quickly applied for another deferment based on his judicial clerkship. This time the Selective Service System denied his claim.

That was when the desperate Giuliani prevailed upon his boss to write to the draft board, asking them to grant him a fresh deferment and reclassification as an "essential" civilian employee. As the great tabloid columnist Jimmy Breslin noted 20 years later, during the former prosecutor's first campaign for mayor: "Giuliani did not attend the war in Vietnam because federal Judge Lloyd MacMahon [sic] wrote a letter to the draft board in 1969 and got him out. Giuliani was a law clerk for MacMahon, who at the time was hearing Selective Service cases. MacMahon's letter to Giuliani's draft board stated that Giuliani was so necessary as a law clerk that he could not be allowed to get shot at in Vietnam."

His clerkship ended the following year but his luck held firm. By then President Nixon had transformed the Selective Service into a lottery system, and despite Rudy's renewed 1-A status, he drew a high lottery number and was never drafted.

Today Giuliani's problem is not avoiding military service but explaining how and why he avoided it. A spokesperson for the candidate recently told New York magazine that he "has made it clear that if he had been called up, he would have served," which doesn't quite expiate his strenuous efforts to make sure that never happened. Giuliani opposed the Vietnam War for "strategic and tactical" reasons as well, according to his flack.

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
so basically his number wasnt called... so what about obama??? did he serve in the first gulf war??? he was about age at that time...what about Hilliary or any other dem?? whats the big deal about pointing out just gop people that didnt serve???

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Many on this forum crucify former President Bill Clinton on how he escaped the draft. How he wrote letters and found ways to avoid it.

I loathe draft Dodgers like most of you.

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
hell they should of joined and fought.... well on obama case anyways...what was his excuse??? he was a gang banger selling crack in the hood in Chicago.... right...hell i wasnt any better i was a punk rocker selling lsd in Tampa... but i am not running for president tho....

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Originally posted by spanner69:
Many on this forum crucify former President Bill Clinton on how he escaped the draft. How he wrote letters and found ways to avoid it.

I loathe draft Dodgers like most of you. But unlike some I refuse to cut ANY draft Dodger a pass REGARDLESS of party affiliation. A Draft Dodger is a coward. That includes those who use of deferments is very questionable. As I was told by someone. Getting 2 deferments was A LOT back then.

I also do not like when people say the CINC is a draft Dodger. He is not. The CINC ENLISTED Unlike others who claim they terror experts and know the military. The CINC manned up. While other ran, which includes Rudy Guiliani:

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During his years as an undergraduate at Manhattan College and then at New York University Law School, Giuliani qualified for a student deferment. Upon graduation from law school in 1968, he lost that temporary deferment and his draft status reverted to 1-A, the designation awarded to those most qualified for induction into the Army.

At the same time, Giuliani won a clerkship with federal Judge Lloyd McMahon in the fabled Southern District of New York, where he would become the United States attorney. He naturally had no desire to trade his ticket on the legal profession's fast track for latrine duty in the jungle. So he quickly applied for another deferment based on his judicial clerkship. This time the Selective Service System denied his claim.

That was when the desperate Giuliani prevailed upon his boss to write to the draft board, asking them to grant him a fresh deferment and reclassification as an "essential" civilian employee. As the great tabloid columnist Jimmy Breslin noted 20 years later, during the former prosecutor's first campaign for mayor: "Giuliani did not attend the war in Vietnam because federal Judge Lloyd MacMahon [sic] wrote a letter to the draft board in 1969 and got him out. Giuliani was a law clerk for MacMahon, who at the time was hearing Selective Service cases. MacMahon's letter to Giuliani's draft board stated that Giuliani was so necessary as a law clerk that he could not be allowed to get shot at in Vietnam."

His clerkship ended the following year but his luck held firm. By then President Nixon had transformed the Selective Service into a lottery system, and despite Rudy's renewed 1-A status, he drew a high lottery number and was never drafted.

Today Giuliani's problem is not avoiding military service but explaining how and why he avoided it. A spokesperson for the candidate recently told New York magazine that he "has made it clear that if he had been called up, he would have served," which doesn't quite expiate his strenuous efforts to make sure that never happened. Giuliani opposed the Vietnam War for "strategic and tactical" reasons as well, according to his flack.

Guys, we cannot continue give politicins we hate grief while at the same time turn a blind eye to the same indescretion just because its done by a politcian we like. It hippocritical.

Rudy ran. Like Clinton and others ran.

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Originally posted by 6486143:

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Originally posted by spanner69:
Many on this forum crucify former President Bill Clinton on how he escaped the draft. How he wrote letters and found ways to avoid it.

I loathe draft Dodgers like most of you. But unlike some I refuse to cut ANY draft Dodger a pass REGARDLESS of party affiliation. A Draft Dodger is a coward. That includes those who use of deferments is very questionable. As I was told by someone. Getting 2 deferments was A LOT back then.

I also do not like when people say the CINC is a draft Dodger. He is not. The CINC ENLISTED Unlike others who claim they terror experts and know the military. The CINC manned up. While other ran, which includes Rudy Guiliani:

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During his years as an undergraduate at Manhattan College and then at New York University Law School, Giuliani qualified for a student deferment. Upon graduation from law school in 1968, he lost that temporary deferment and his draft status reverted to 1-A, the designation awarded to those most qualified for induction into the Army.

At the same time, Giuliani won a clerkship with federal Judge Lloyd McMahon in the fabled Southern District of New York, where he would become the United States attorney. He naturally had no desire to trade his ticket on the legal profession's fast track for latrine duty in the jungle. So he quickly applied for another deferment based on his judicial clerkship. This time the Selective Service System denied his claim.

That was when the desperate Giuliani prevailed upon his boss to write to the draft board, asking them to grant him a fresh deferment and reclassification as an "essential" civilian employee. As the great tabloid columnist Jimmy Breslin noted 20 years later, during the former prosecutor's first campaign for mayor: "Giuliani did not attend the war in Vietnam because federal Judge Lloyd MacMahon [sic] wrote a letter to the draft board in 1969 and got him out. Giuliani was a law clerk for MacMahon, who at the time was hearing Selective Service cases. MacMahon's letter to Giuliani's draft board stated that Giuliani was so necessary as a law clerk that he could not be allowed to get shot at in Vietnam."

His clerkship ended the following year but his luck held firm. By then President Nixon had transformed the Selective Service into a lottery system, and despite Rudy's renewed 1-A status, he drew a high lottery number and was never drafted.

Today Giuliani's problem is not avoiding military service but explaining how and why he avoided it. A spokesperson for the candidate recently told New York magazine that he "has made it clear that if he had been called up, he would have served," which doesn't quite expiate his strenuous efforts to make sure that never happened. Giuliani opposed the Vietnam War for "strategic and tactical" reasons as well, according to his flack.

Guys, we cannot continue give politicins we hate grief while at the same time turn a blind eye to the same indescretion just because its done by a politcian we like. It hippocritical.

Rudy ran. Like Clinton and others ran.

I'm somewhat more forgiving in this issue....to me...those 'who ran' were the dudes who left the country or hid at communes here at home....honest effort at college that proved fruitful is an exception to me.....yet Clintoon still strikes me as a hippie type that would have "ran" to Canada if he hadn't been accepted......I guess it's that damn photo of him and Hillary looking stoned hahahahhaha

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
hell they should of joined and fought.... well on obama case anyways...what was his excuse??? he was a gang banger selling crack in the hood in Chicago.... right...hell i wasnt any better i was a punk rocker selling lsd in Tampa... but i am not running for president tho....

Obama a gang banger? News to me! Can you show me the link please? Anytime I can get new info on candidates I love to read about it. Since I know you are a man of integrity you will point me to the source that claims Obama was a gang banger in Chicago. Thanks dude. I know your not a lying sack of crap who would make crap up.

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Originally posted by outlaws93:

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Originally posted by spanner69:

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
hell they should of joined and fought.... well on obama case anyways...what was his excuse??? he was a gang banger selling crack in the hood in Chicago.... right...hell i wasnt any better i was a punk rocker selling lsd in Tampa... but i am not running for president tho....

Obama a gang banger? News to me! Can you show me the link please? Anytime I can get new info on candidates I love to read about it. Since I know you are a man of integrity you will point me to the source that claims Obama was a gang banger in Chicago. Thanks dude. I know your not a lying sack of crap who would make crap up.

yea dude they were talking about it at the begining... he fesed up to it and said he was young and dumb....

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Originally posted by joshuacarnes:
I personally think Guliani is wasting his time.

Nothing personal against him or anything... I can just already think of at least three Republican candidates that would make a better President.

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
ok then you should know

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
whatever dude maybe it wasnt Chicago but it was somewhere when he was young... it was awhile ago when i heard about it...it was on the news one day...

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
no the only part i made up was the crack part... but the rest i did hear about....

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Originally posted by bugsy48:
As the Chinese say: "Collect me if I long", but I definitely remember Bush in a recorded interview musing about whether he should shoot his ear out or go to Canada to avoid being drafted and sent to Vietnam. Fortunately, Daddy got him a cushy number with the Texas flyboys and he managed to stay away from the fighting.

Mind you, considering his track record and that he's never been successful in any venture he's ever undertaken, it probably saved a lot of lives. Imagine Bush as an officer in Vietnam and responsible for other soldiers' lives! It doesn't bear thinking about.

MsG