Good military planning,
I think we can afford good military planning, to our great vice president dick head cheney. Have any of you read Schwarzkopf book? In his book Scwarzkopf refers to Cheney's office as a war museum.

Then you hav have Haliburton his old company making billions. Give me a break,

Its a civil war, with some nasty scum buckets coming from all over to kill americans.

George Bush wants 45 billion more! What about our people here at home? Destitute, out of work, children sick, illegal immigrants, people refused to get medical treatment because they have no money. Sure we have illegals, but how about americans living in poverty? Staunch right wingers say,,,"they can work there way out of it",,,,go to these places,,,they are not hard to find,,,google poverty level americans.

You guys can post and post,,,and argue until you are blue in the fingers,,,,what are you going to do about the problem?

I have to work sixty hours a week to keep the bills paid,,,,You can call me what ever you please.....doesn't matter,,but a lot of you guys,,are retired,,,get involved other than this,,,get a sheet of paper and list out the problems this country has,,,,yes it is national security, but Iraq,,,? That threat is done,,,,I challenge one of you guys,,,that has the time and resources, get up and quit sitting there bloggin you A$$ off,,,,if I had the money and the support,,,I would do it,,,,
The american people need a leader,,,someone whom can talk to them on their level,,,that mean an american whom is not a professional political jockey, come on guys,,,quit wasting your time,,,somebody make a web page,,,and start talkin..the people are ready to listen,,

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Originally posted by TankSgtRich:
Let the Turkeys gobble, Why Bush would send Rice is beyond me - why do you have a woman as point of contact for leaders in a Islamic world.

Turkey is different from the rest of the Islamic world. They had a female prime minister, Tansu Ciller, from June 1993 to March 1996.

I KNOW WHY THE TURKISH TROOPS GOT SPANKED. THE GUY WITH HIS BRIGHT BLUE HAT ON MG ACROSS HIS WAIST. AMMO SLUNG OVER HIS WEAPON ,THATS SO IT WONT FEED. NO WAR PAINT, THIS GUY IS ON A SUNDAY WALK. HES NOT GOING INTO ANY BATTLE. IF HE IS, HES HISTORY. M37ESCORT@ATT.NET

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Originally posted by Holynotsomuch:
Yes, Turkey needs to defend themselves...
But this may be good for the U.S., after all, if we couldn't win, maybe Turkey can!

Check your sources,we are winning!

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Originally posted by TomGustafson:

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Originally posted by Holynotsomuch:
Yes, Turkey needs to defend themselves...
But this may be good for the U.S., after all, if we couldn't win, maybe Turkey can!

Check your sources,we are winning!

When it is all won, what will we have that we did not have before the war in Iraq?

free kurds!!!

The Kurds have brought this upon themselves. It doesn't matter that the PKK represents only a minority. The majority took no action to police their own, probably because they thought that it was the Turks' problem more than it was the Kurds'.

The elected representatives of Turkey have authorized military action, after the Prime Minister asked for it. The Turkish military want to take action, and the people of Turkey are angry. Democracy is working! I don't see how Turkey can back down now.

The United States must either pull back and let the Turks do their own "surge", or undertake military operations of its own against the Kurds. I would prefer that the Turks fight for their own sovereignty, rather than we do it for them.

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Originally posted by xerello:

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Originally posted by TomGustafson:

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Originally posted by Holynotsomuch:
Yes, Turkey needs to defend themselves...
But this may be good for the U.S., after all, if we couldn't win, maybe Turkey can!

Check your sources,we are winning!

When it is all won, what will we have that we did not have before the war in Iraq?

Quite a bit to the positive side.i.e. Iraqi's free to choose own destiny among many other non-trivial type thing's.

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The elected representatives of Turkey have authorized military action, after the Prime Minister asked for it. The Turkish military want to take action, and the people of Turkey are angry. Democracy is working! I don't see how Turkey can back down now

Well it is nice to see that an ELECTED GOVERNMENT does still function as intended somewhere. Maybe Turkey should invade the US next and "remind" our politicians how a "government sponsored invasion/war" is to be debated and voted upon.

I love it! More Muslims killing each other. Kinda reminds me of another war called "The Civil War".

Ummm, double checked our dead, double checked what we have spent, double checked the loss of stabiltiy and new hatred towards America... Last, double checked what we have gained (I.E. What we have won)...Umm, winning a war is only a small piece of a non important pie... So I ask what we have won? Besides more instability than what we started with (Although I do admit it is slowly on the decline now...key word, slowly, still a lot worse...)

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Originally posted by TomGustafson:

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Originally posted by Holynotsomuch:
Yes, Turkey needs to defend themselves...
But this may be good for the U.S., after all, if we couldn't win, maybe Turkey can!

Check your sources,we are winning!

But let's go with your line. Iraq chose long ago to give up their freedoms for safety. Now we have forced freedom upon them (Is that even posssible?). Somehow I don't think the 73,000 or so, "confirmed" dead civilians would really care, nor their families... I also don't think the people who starved to death, who used to have jobs under Sadam really give a hoot about freedom, or the mother who's child starved to death. Freedom is great, if you can afford it that is...

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Originally posted by TomGustafson:

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Originally posted by xerello:

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Originally posted by TomGustafson:

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Originally posted by Holynotsomuch:
Yes, Turkey needs to defend themselves...
But this may be good for the U.S., after all, if we couldn't win, maybe Turkey can!

Check your sources,we are winning!

When it is all won, what will we have that we did not have before the war in Iraq?

Quite a bit to the positive side.i.e. Iraqi's free to choose own destiny among many other non-trivial type thing's.

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Originally posted by TomGustafson:

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Originally posted by xerello:

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Originally posted by TomGustafson:

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Originally posted by Holynotsomuch:
Yes, Turkey needs to defend themselves...
But this may be good for the U.S., after all, if we couldn't win, maybe Turkey can!

Check your sources,we are winning!

When it is all won, what will we have that we did not have before the war in Iraq?

Quite a bit to the positive side.i.e. Iraqi's free to choose own destiny among many other non-trivial type thing's.

There are more than four million Iraqi refugees in a country of 27 million.

Millions more live behind walls built to reduce the ethnic violence and cannot travel outside of their neighborhoods.

Dozens of bodies are dumped on the streets of Baghdad everyday.

There were supposed to be provincial elections last December, none are scheduled in the near future.

Do you really consider that the Iraqis are free to live their lives the way they want to?

The question was "what have we won?" What gains can Americans count now that we are winning?

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"what have we won?"

freedom baby...
helping the iraqis get rid of an abusive dictator and helping them establish a free country... it is not an easy thing to do and when half the world is against it that just makes it even harder... it takes time and want.... you know the terrorist arnt helping much congress call for reduction of troops arent helping to convene the world that we are serious... we need to stay there and help to rebuild and create a stable gov.... like op4 said in another thread better to die fighting for your freedom then live on your knees appeasing a tyrant....

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Originally posted by outlaws93:

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"what have we won?"

freedom baby...
helping the iraqis get rid of an abusive dictator and helping them establish a free country... it is not an easy thing to do and when half the world is against it that just makes it even harder... it takes time and want.... you know the terrorist arnt helping much congress call for reduction of troops arent helping to convene the world that we are serious... we need to stay there and help to rebuild and create a stable gov.... like op4 said in another thread better to die fighting for your freedom then live on your knees appeasing a tyrant....

You care so much for the freedom of others. Should we not invade all of these countries to free those people?
• Iran
• Swaziland
• Vietnam
• Belarus
• China
• Côte d'Ivoire
• Equatorial Guinea
• Eritrea
• Laos
• Saudi Arabia
• Syria
• Zimbabwe
• Cuba
• Libya
• Myanmar (Burma)
• North Korea
• Somalia
• Sudan
• Turkmenistan
• Uzbekistan

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Turkey is different from the rest of the Islamic world. They had a female prime minister, Tansu Ciller, from June 1993 to March 1996.

BTW, so did Pakistan, and probably will next year (Benazir Bhutto).

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I love it! More Muslims killing each other. Kinda reminds me of another war called "The Civil War".

The PKK is Marxist. Although if Turkey goes too far in their incursion, other Kurds will most likely take up arms as well.

Ok, when is this freedom going to happen? Last I checked, millions of tiny dictators rule Iraq...

Oh and I must add, it is better to fight and die then to grovel and live. However, fight what? IEDs? Suicide bombers? War on drugs? War on Terror?
Somethings you just cannot fight my friend. Unless you use a ruthless dictator to do it, Trust me, been there, done that. We all know what would stem the flow of violence...

Don't feel bad, I had the same views as you when I first deployed, then I grew up...

Now the Spartans, they had something to fight against...

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Originally posted by outlaws93:

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"what have we won?"

freedom baby...
helping the iraqis get rid of an abusive dictator and helping them establish a free country... it is not an easy thing to do and when half the world is against it that just makes it even harder... it takes time and want.... you know the terrorist arnt helping much congress call for reduction of troops arent helping to convene the world that we are serious... we need to stay there and help to rebuild and create a stable gov.... like op4 said in another thread better to die fighting for your freedom then live on your knees appeasing a tyrant....

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Originally posted by Holynotsomuch:
Ummm, double checked our dead, double checked what we have spent, double checked the loss of stabiltiy and new hatred towards America... Last, double checked what we have gained (I.E. What we have won)...Umm, winning a war is only a small piece of a non important pie... So I ask what we have won? Besides more instability than what we started with (Although I do admit it is slowly on the decline now...key word, slowly, still a lot worse...)

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Originally posted by TomGustafson:

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Originally posted by Holynotsomuch:
Yes, Turkey needs to defend themselves...
But this may be good for the U.S., after all, if we couldn't win, maybe Turkey can!

Check your sources,we are winning!

I guess we will never agree!Glad we have positive people in the service now!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21444614/

Here's a new source for ya! Even this news org see's that we are winning!