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Congressman-elect Bill Owens was sworn in at noon today.

Owens indicated in a press release that he was now in favor of the bill in direct contrast to his earlier position during his campaign.

According to Politico.com, Mr. Owens assured voters that he felt the public option had no place in the health care reform bill. Contrary to that position, Mr. Owens now indicates that he intends to vote in favor of the bill even though it now contains a public option.

Mr. Owens also indicated during his campaign that he was firmly opposed to cutting Medicare benefits, taxing health care benefits, and increased taxes on the middle class in any way as you can see clearly in the screenshot below, taken directly from Mr. Owens' campaign website.

"http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/index...ews&Itemid=175
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Is this what Nancy Peligosi meant by, "We Won?"

Who'd of thunk a democratic candidate would play to the right just to get elected, and then completely reverse course...

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Originally posted by Kegler300:


Is this what Nancy Peligosi meant by, "We Won?"

Who'd of thunk a democratic candidate would play to the right just to get elected, and then completely reverse course...

Owens modified his position on a Public Option in September http://www.observer.com/5264/ny-23-candidates-weigh-obama-care and on October 30th (also before the election) Owens said this:

OWENS: I believe that moving towards this legislation is very appropriate. I think that the type or the form of public options included in this bill is reasonable. It is not one that allows people to move to the government option if they already have health insurance coverage, so it is not going to control a significant segment of the population. What it will do, though, is deal again with those who do not have coverage and will eliminate this uncompensated care problem that we have, which is very significant for health care providers.

http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/story/23rd-Congressional-debate-held-on-NewsChannel-9/YUpxhxHX9EajONK98F8n1Q.cspx


So I'd say he was elected based on his change in position.

I am a conservative but I have no ill will toward Owens, if people are dumb enough to fall for that **** time and time again, the Republicans should lose. They should have been skeptical once they saw the "D" after his name.

Only in politics is "bait and switch" defended ... and then only by (some) in the same party.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
So I'd say he was elected based on his change in position.

You may be a "left of center" type of person but you are smart. Candidates from both parties create a spin by speaking in favor of both sides at different times and venues. That is one of the problems with candidates from both sides of the spectrum, by the time voters go to the poles, they have no true idea what a candidate stands for.

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
Only in politics is "bait and switch" defended ... and then only by (some) in the same party.

Exactly!!

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
Only in politics is "bait and switch" defended ... and then only by (some) in the same party.

sorta puts them in the same group as 'rip off artist', 'sleazy salesmen' 'underhand dealers'.
Of course that could describe any politician.

Actually, I think SW is correct. Owens was a Pelosi puppy for some time.

"http://www.swingstateproject.com/tag/health%20care%20reform

What he was miss-leading about was his stance on the Public Option which he was against all the way up to the night of his election. When asked he mentioned all 5 bills in congress did not have the public option which he supported.

The hour after his election he was 100% positive that he was for a public option.

Kind of funny how that all works out.

Forgetting about Owens cause he now has his own little puppy bowl with his name on it outside Pelosi's office...the stench from that race I think is from the Repubs. I think all those who supported Scuzz as she dropped out and then supported Owens should be branded forevermore.

Dede Scuzzbag

What is truly amazing is the Repubs did not even help Hoffman (they gave Scuzzbag almost a mil while the DCCC gave Owens 1.1 mil) and he (Hoffman) still got 40+ % of the vote.

It is now a contest between the Conservatives and the Socialist Progressives.

If the rupubs run a similar Scuzz they will lose.

Eventually all Repubs will support a conservative...some because of their beliefs, others because their lust for power. That last group is who needs to be handed to the dems on a platter.

"http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20091104/pl_bloomberg/apndaxopbiic_1

Could this be another RINO in the making? Is this what the "teabaggers" were expecting? Doesn't sound like a fire-breathing conservative to me:

"Despite winning the governor's race by a 17-percentage point blowout, Virginia Republicans insisted Wednesday that they had gained no broad mandate and would make their top priority the pragmatic platform that drove voters to the polls."

"I just want to let everybody in Virginia know that I intend to govern the same way I campaigned," he said. "I tried to tell people in a detailed way what we intend to do, and now that it's time to govern , I want to go about the business of getting results and accomplishing those goals."

***http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/04/AR2009110404846.html***

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Originally posted by Motive25:
Could this be another RINO in the making? Is this what the "teabaggers" were expecting? Doesn't sound like a fire-breathing conservative to me:

"Despite winning the governor's race by a 17-percentage point blowout, Virginia Republicans insisted Wednesday that they had gained no broad mandate and would make their top priority the pragmatic platform that drove voters to the polls."

"I just want to let everybody in Virginia know that I intend to govern the same way I campaigned," he said. "I tried to tell people in a detailed way what we intend to do, and now that it's time to govern , I want to go about the business of getting results and accomplishing those goals."

***http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/04/AR2009110404846.html***

This has something to do with Owens (NY, 23)? The only very loose correlation I can see is that the Republican intends to keep his campaign promises ... while the Democrat is systematically looking to break them. Nothing unusual there.

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
Only in politics is "bait and switch" defended ... and then only by (some) in the same party.

He let his position be known prior to the election. How is that "bait and switch". If he hadn't said it prior to Election Day, you would be correct, but that isn't the case here now is it?

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
Only in politics is "bait and switch" defended ... and then only by (some) in the same party.

sorta puts them in the same group as 'rip off artist', 'sleazy salesmen' 'underhand dealers'.
Of course that could describe any politician.

SignalSgt,

LOL

Jack

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
Only in politics is "bait and switch" defended ... and then only by (some) in the same party.

sorta puts them in the same group as 'rip off artist', 'sleazy salesmen' 'underhand dealers'.
Of course that could describe any politician.

You are giving rip off artists, sleazy salesmen, and underhand dealers a bad rap. These three groups of individuals work for a living knowing they can go to jail if caught. Politicians get to retire

You'd think that since he changed his position in September he would have updated his website so that people who missed this debate might know where he stood.

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Bill Owens is opposed to:

·Opposes: Medicare benefit cuts. We can all agree that there are inefficiencies and waste in the system, but any savings should be used to strengthen Medicare.

·Opposes: Taxing health care benefits.

·Opposes: Increasing taxes on the middle class in any way.

"http://www.billowensforcongress.com/release_details.asp?id=16"

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Originally posted by Marou:

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
Only in politics is "bait and switch" defended ... and then only by (some) in the same party.

sorta puts them in the same group as 'rip off artist', 'sleazy salesmen' 'underhand dealers'.
Of course that could describe any politician.

You are giving rip off artists, sleazy salesmen, and underhand dealers a bad rap. These three groups of individuals work for a living knowing they can go to jail if caught. Politicians get to retire

touche'

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Originally posted by stec74:
You'd think that since he changed his position in September he would have updated his website so that people who missed this debate might know where he stood.

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Bill Owens is opposed to:

·Opposes: Medicare benefit cuts. We can all agree that there are inefficiencies and waste in the system, but any savings should be used to strengthen Medicare.

·Opposes: Taxing health care benefits.

·Opposes: Increasing taxes on the middle class in any way.

"http://www.billowensforcongress.com/release_details.asp?id=16"

Where is his support of the House bill in opposition to those goals?

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Originally posted by stec74:
You'd think that since he changed his position in September he would have updated his website so that people who missed this debate might know where he stood.

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Bill Owens is opposed to:

·Opposes: Medicare benefit cuts. We can all agree that there are inefficiencies and waste in the system, but any savings should be used to strengthen Medicare.

·Opposes: Taxing health care benefits.

·Opposes: Increasing taxes on the middle class in any way.

"http://www.billowensforcongress.com/release_details.asp?id=16"

Looks to me like he failed on his first two points when he voted AYE last night ... "bait and switch" at its finest.