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Oh, now you trust the government, the rest of the time it's a bunch of republican war mongers in charge huh? Your argument is spurious and you know it. You got nailed and it hurts... First time you heard of this? You ain't been paying attention in class, the whole world knows of their missile testing program and the launch of their first rocket in their space program, just recently... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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I have heard it all before. "We shall this, and we shall that", "Israel had opened the gates of Hell" bla-bla. That, in 2-3 lines what Hamas told us after we have killed Yassin and Rantisi. Never amounted much to anything, and what they have managed fell much shorter of your "expectations". They try it on daily basis, regardless of what we shall do. |
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I couldn't open the link with my Netscape 7.01, on the other hand, I assume you wish to point out to me that Iran is armed. Perhaps they have good reason to be armed? You wrote: "...don't read crap into my posts that aren't there..." and "Also, when you ask, should we or die our troops die for Israel, again, that's a non sequitur." You've said this to me before, and I have to admit this is a stupid tendency on my part. But not this time. I was complaining about an Israeli playing make believe that our interests are identical with theirs. They are not. You have said that Iran is planning to conquer the world so that the hidden Iman (#13 I believe) can come out of the cave he's been hiding in for the last 1200 years. I challenge that statement! You can't back it up. Just because Pat Robertson says that Armegeddon is around the corner, doesn't mean he speaks for my government. And with the arrest recently of some Russians trying to peddle radioactive material in Eastern Europe, you want me to worry about Iran? Ok, I DO worry about Iran, but not enough to go to war with them, or go to war with China or Russia or any other country that gives me the heebie jeebies. The plain fact of the matter is that the Iranian government has been trying for YEARS to come to an accomodation with us. We, not they, have been turning that down. That's because the Bush definition of "accomodation" is surrender. Finally, if our country in ACTUALLY in danger, then we have to do whatever it takes - That's a non-starter of a question. North Korea wouldn't even have the bomb, except for the fact that Mr. Bush announced that we're not going to negotiate with our enemies. He's sort of changed his tune recently, although I believe he still believes this interesting theory of only making peace with your allies. We could have bought the North Koreans off. Cheaper than what we now have. Dave |
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I would like to think we'd do whatever it takes,frankly, Dave, I'm not so sure....
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Our intelligence agencies have unequivocly stated that Iran abandoned it's nuclear weapons program in 2003. Period. You want a link? Who pray tell are we to tell them to stay out of space? This some sort of monopoly awarded the US by the Pope? If so, please inform the Russians, the Chinese, the French, and now the Brazilians that they better abandon their space programs, or else. Dave |
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Now that's the kind of damn lies that you seem to think will be accepted just because they are voiced. I've heard them before. Did you know that Poland attacked Germany and started World War Two? Well, I didn't know it either, but that's what the Germans claimed. And the German people believed that lie - Why not, would the Great Leader lie?  In 1992 there were almost 600,000 Serbs in Kossovo, at the time of our intervention there was only 90,000 left. So who was commiting genocide? Ahh, yes, it was Milosovic that "Hitler." So now Iran is is the New Hitler. Proof? He denies the holocaust. He's said that Iran will defend itself. He sponsors Hezbollah. I am impressed? Why look at how many countries Iran has conquered. Zero is a huge number isn't it. Dave |
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It would have taken you a 5 minute online search to either confirm of reject his claim…….yet you didn’t bother.  In her role as an aviation transport the now-USNS Card carried helicopters and aircraft from one place to another. While docked in the shallow Saigon harbor, in the Republic of Vietnam she was attacked at 0500 May 2, 1964 by a naval mine which holed her. Five of her civilian crewmen were killed and the ship settled in the mud of the harbor. http://modern-war.suite101.com/article.cfm/us_aircraft_carrier_sunk_1964  "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe |
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I suggest you look-up demographics maps from 1990 & 1995 (Break up of former YU); and from 1999 (Kosovo war), and then tell me who was “ethnically cleansed”.  "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe |
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So the bit of Hague court for war crimes, and various charges brought against Miloshevich and Company are just empty words?
Both sides were guilty of war crimes, and i have never said anything else. Since both of them practiced ethnic cleansing, both of the sides were Hitlers writ small. There was a physical ethnic cleansing there, and it had to be stopped. |
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Nobody said a word about the ethnic cleansing going on in Kossovo - Not a word. Only when the Serbs took over the State government to put a stop to the genocide, did our government suddenly get horrified. What an evil man was Milosovic. He actually put a stop to the genocide of an entire people. Clearly a Hitler. How nice that his trial was cut short. Very, very convenient if you followed the trial. Cut the BS - Just what happened to those 500,000 Serbs that got beaten, shot, killed and thrown out of their homes? By YOUR logic if one German was killed by a Pole, then Hitler was right to invade. By your logic if One Jew killed a Nazi, then the holocaust was ok. Dave |
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"Operation Storm" the operation forced approximately 200,000 to 250,000 Serbs to flee to parts or Croatia and Bosnia. Former European Union Special Envoy to the Former Yugoslavia Carl Bildt called it "the most efficient ethnic cleansing we've seen in the Balkans."Three Croatian generals, Ante Gotovina, Ivan Čermak and Mladen Markač, alleged to have been involved in the planning and execution of Operation Storm, have been indicted by the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia and are now standing trial in the Hague on charges of operating a joint criminal enterprise for the purpose of permanently removing the Serb population from the Krajina by force and of crimes against humanity If Serbs were committing genocide on such a grand scale, as everybody says they were.....well they F*** sucked at it.  These forces had been trained by a U.S.-based firm, Military Professional Resources Incorporated (MPRI), which provides both training and senior staff services.Its engagement was approved by the U.S. government. The Croatian government maintained the operation was justified on the grounds that a sovereign state has the right to be in control of its own territory. But when Serbs tried to fight Terrorist and Separatist on their own territory (Kosovo 1999), they got bombed by NATO. Just one among hundreds of sources.... "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe |
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Can you guess which Middle Eastern country I am talking about?
- head of state called 9/11 a good thing - routinely ignores UN resolutions - has a secret weapons program, inspectors not allowed (and these WMD actually exist...) - frequent human rights abuser - spies on the US - sold US sensitive weapons technology to China which was re-sold to Iran
Exactly, the Iranian Government was willing to pretty much do what we wanted in 2003 so long as they stayed in power, but we turned it down....Atleast I hope it was the US that turned down that offer... This is about power and influence and money......and possibly defense. |
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Nuke the crappers
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First, it ain't just Bush, it has been a multi generational and multi political party problem. This all started out as speculation on several posters parts, no more AND nothing that is said on these boards is ever going to be put into national policy, we are nothing but a bunch of vets and now family members or civil servants or their family members blowing off steam and postulating our ideas... I have read, many years ago, the English translation of Mein Kampf, in fact I was a freshman in high school and talk about the flak I took for reading it, my parents d-mn near disowned me and people who saw it, shunned me. But hey, I was taking world history, it was on the reading list and it was in the high school library. Well my point is, that if you had and by you, I mean the world at the time of it's publication, you could see where that cat was heading, really, really, spooky! If you go and read today, what the Iranian leadership is saying and putting in writing, it's d-mn spooky! Will they do as Hitler did and fulfill what he wrote? Well, frankly no one can answer that question, not without a time machine. My point is, that the parallels are, well spooky... The one thing about our fathers and grandfathers generation, is that they learned the hard lesson of you can't give in to fascism, whether political or religious. Iran used to be called Persia and they changed the name to Iran and I hope someone here will help me out on this, but doesn't Iran mean Riech? I heard that and I never really bothered to research it, but I know the Arab nations suported Hitler or gave sympathetic support to Nazi Germany during WW-II and that's why I mentioned at least one book, a very old book, it was old when I read it twenty years ago, called, The Fuhrer and the Mufti, it will open your mind to what is taking place in the Arab nations and give you a sense of what it behind some of the tensions with the Arabs and why the Persian people, i.e. the Iranians are doing what they are doing.. The Iranians are developing missile technology, at first openly militarily and now, their long range missile program has been "disguised" as a "space" program? They bluff and bluster and lie, just like Hitler did, in his conquering of certain countries, talked the European peoples into accepting the annexation of territories, worked with the Russians to divide and conquer and then turned on the Russians. My point to all of this? That we need to watch carefully, Iran and when they are about to achieve a nuclear weapon, we must stop them, because, at least from what I've been able to observe, they are looking for an excuse to use it. The world today, is in a far more dangerous place than in the first cold war, I say first, because it would appear that Russia is trying to relive past glories, because far more unstable nations have achieved nuclear weaponry and will use it in the name of religion. Fascist governments can be kept in check, religious fascism seeks to die, for it brings the ultimate reward, hence they have no vested interest in staying alive. We dealt with religious fascism in WW-II with the Imperial Japanese and the kamakazi. It took total annihilation of a banzai charge to break it, total destruction of a kamakazi to prevent it from crashing into a ship. It took two atomic bombs before the Emperor spoke to his people and then, it was only because the palace guard stayed loyal to prevent his assassination, that Imperial Japan surrendered. What will it take here, with Iran, I wonder?... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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Again, now you believe? Second, you and who, actually believe that this is really a space program? I mean the Tae Po DongII was never designed to be a space launch vehicle and well, some folks will take a beating by a mugger and still not understand why they were beaten. Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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Dave, did the holocaust happen? Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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