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Originally posted by outlaws93:
but iran is training and supporting alqueda in iraq....

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
Iran Training Iraqi Insurgent Groups, General Says

U.S. Military: Iran Training Iraqi Insurgents in Using Roadside Bombs

Iranian Entanglements-Iran is helping Al Queda in Iraq,

McCain: Iran is training Al Queda agents and sending them into Iraq

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Originally posted by outlaws93:

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Originally posted by Sgt_Schlappy:

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:

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Originally posted by EAG154:
Mullas with mega bombs....Now thats scary

Pakistan already has them and just tested a new IRBM which further increases the threat posed to the entire region. Pakistan is no more stable than Iran, yet no one is calling for them to give up nuclear weapons.

We're not asking Iran to "give up" nuclear weapons...we're trying to prevent them from having the ability to make them. Big difference.

yea that and also pak isnt going around threating people with their nukes....

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Relations between Iran and Afghanistan have been poor since the Taliban took power in Kabul. The Iranian government is aiding the Northern Alliance and the Shia Hizb-i Wahdat which oppose the Taliban. Aid from Iran reportedly consists of military instructors as well as weapons. More than one million Afghan refugees are in Iran. And exiled Afghan leaders often travel to Iran.

But the current crisis between the two countries started in early August, when Iran accused the Taliban of taking as hostages ten Iranian diplomats and one journalist in Mazar-i Sharif, and when Tehran expressed its concern about the more than 35 Iranian truck drivers being held by Afghans.

After initially denying any knowledge about the whereabouts of the diplomats, the Taliban in September admitted that what it called rogue elements had in fact killed them. But the Taliban refused to apologize, rejected requests for the extradition of those responsible, and accused the dead Iranians of having been intelligence officers. Meanwhile, various international organizations reported that the Taliban were engaging in "ethnic cleansing" of Afghanistan's Shia. Exacerbating the situation still further were reports that groups opposed to the Iranian government were operating out of Afghanistan. According to the Iranian newspaper Farda, for example, "guerrillas had infiltrated Iran from Afghanistan in order to wage subversive operations."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/1998/1-091198.html

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You might as well ask Pat Robertson to become a missionary for the Catholics as to believe that Fundamentalist Shia's and Sunni's are going to work together against us.

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Originally posted by outlaws93:

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You might as well ask Pat Robertson to become a missionary for the Catholics as to believe that Fundamentalist Shia's and Sunni's are going to work together against us.

yup they sure will and are\have... of course they have their differences but they can put them aside and take on a common enemy....

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Originally posted by popsiq:
On May 2 1964 the Viet Cong sunk an American Carrier (USS Card) in the Saigon River.

Starting a war with Iran might just get another one, or two, sunk in the Persian Gulf.

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:

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This is folly pure and simple. When pragmatic decisions are based purely on ideology, a nation is in trouble.

And Bush doesnt really care about the consequences as long as his name is in the history books, good or bad. He will benefit from the $200/bbl oil that WILL result from ANY action against Iran. That $200/bbl oil overnight will result in a domino effect that will destroy the US economy.
Besides, this Iranian attack is a way for Bush to stay in power under martial law because all hell WILL break out globally if he does such a thing and Allies will bail on him fast as heck when he does.
Do any of you think that even an air attack is worth as many as 8000 US lives WHEN it doesnt go as Bush plans (ie, 2 aircraft carriers sunk as well as tankers clogging the straits)?

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:

And Bush doesnt really care about the consequences as long as his name is in the history books, good or bad. He will benefit from the $200/bbl oil that WILL result from ANY action against Iran. That $200/bbl oil overnight will result in a domino effect that will destroy the US economy.
Besides, this Iranian attack is a way for Bush to stay in power under martial law because all hell WILL break out globally if he does such a thing and Allies will bail on him fast as heck when he does.
Do any of you think that even an air attack is worth as many as 8000 US lives WHEN it doesnt go as Bush plans (ie, 2 aircraft carriers sunk as well as tankers clogging the straits)?

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Originally posted by sw614:
Good lord Flanker, you are kidding, right?

President Bush will benefit; just how exactly? How about some proof of that other bthan your opinion?

President Bush to stay in power under martial law. Again, more of your insightful political expertise showing through.

8000 US dead and 2 carriers sunk. You really believe that the Iranians are ready for that or can actually pull it off? I think our fleet commanders might be a little more able than you believe.

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Originally posted by Grachus:
While I don't have FlankerFlyers analysis, it must be getting through to people that this administration, to use that old cliche, "is not grounded in reality."

Haven't they proved over and over again, that they act on the basis of what they Expect will happen as opposed to what Could happen?

A nice little clean bombing of Iranian installations to "teach them a lesson?" Of course, do the Iranians see things that way? What can they do to respond?

Well, if we're ready for all out war with them, then we should go to all out war with them. Bring back the draft, raise taxes to pay for this, and do it!

Would you say we are ready for this all out war? The American people going to back it, on the basis of half a$$ed intelligence about Iranian weapons being smuggled over the border?

So, we bomb them, and low and behold THEY think that this is all out war. And THEY respond in any way they can. Now is that something we are ready and prepared for, or are we going to simply say, "Whoa, this isn't fair, we weren't ready for all out war, can't you guys take a joke?"

Maybe nuke them to teach them a lesson? That'll do it. Might cause every nation in the world to break relations with us, but hey, you never know. (Which after all is the point.)

Dave

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Originally posted by 5170553:

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Originally posted by Grachus:
While I don't have FlankerFlyers analysis, it must be getting through to people that this administration, to use that old cliche, "is not grounded in reality."

Haven't they proved over and over again, that they act on the basis of what they Expect will happen as opposed to what Could happen?

A nice little clean bombing of Iranian installations to "teach them a lesson?" Of course, do the Iranians see things that way? What can they do to respond?

Well, if we're ready for all out war with them, then we should go to all out war with them. Bring back the draft, raise taxes to pay for this, and do it!

Would you say we are ready for this all out war? The American people going to back it, on the basis of half a$$ed intelligence about Iranian weapons being smuggled over the border?

So, we bomb them, and low and behold THEY think that this is all out war. And THEY respond in any way they can. Now is that something we are ready and prepared for, or are we going to simply say, "Whoa, this isn't fair, we weren't ready for all out war, can't you guys take a joke?"

Maybe nuke them to teach them a lesson? That'll do it. Might cause every nation in the world to break relations with us, but hey, you never know. (Which after all is the point.)

Dave

It doesn't ever occur to some of the posters in this thread that they need to plan for what happens after their nice little bombing campaign, when Iranian males line up to join the army by the millions to help take revenge for what is seen in their country as "Iran's Pearl Harbor".

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Originally posted by 5170553:

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Originally posted by Grachus:
While I don't have FlankerFlyers analysis, it must be getting through to people that this administration, to use that old cliche, "is not grounded in reality."

Haven't they proved over and over again, that they act on the basis of what they Expect will happen as opposed to what Could happen?

A nice little clean bombing of Iranian installations to "teach them a lesson?" Of course, do the Iranians see things that way? What can they do to respond?

Well, if we're ready for all out war with them, then we should go to all out war with them. Bring back the draft, raise taxes to pay for this, and do it!

Would you say we are ready for this all out war? The American people going to back it, on the basis of half a$$ed intelligence about Iranian weapons being smuggled over the border?

So, we bomb them, and low and behold THEY think that this is all out war. And THEY respond in any way they can. Now is that something we are ready and prepared for, or are we going to simply say, "Whoa, this isn't fair, we weren't ready for all out war, can't you guys take a joke?"

Maybe nuke them to teach them a lesson? That'll do it. Might cause every nation in the world to break relations with us, but hey, you never know. (Which after all is the point.)

Dave

It doesn't ever occur to some of the posters in this thread that they need to plan for what happens after their nice little bombing campaign, when Iranian males line up to join the army by the millions to help take revenge for what is seen in their country as "Iran's Pearl Harbor".

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Originally posted by godawgz:

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Originally posted by 5170553:

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Originally posted by Grachus:
While I don't have FlankerFlyers analysis, it must be getting through to people that this administration, to use that old cliche, "is not grounded in reality."

Haven't they proved over and over again, that they act on the basis of what they Expect will happen as opposed to what Could happen?

A nice little clean bombing of Iranian installations to "teach them a lesson?" Of course, do the Iranians see things that way? What can they do to respond?

Well, if we're ready for all out war with them, then we should go to all out war with them. Bring back the draft, raise taxes to pay for this, and do it!

Would you say we are ready for this all out war? The American people going to back it, on the basis of half a$$ed intelligence about Iranian weapons being smuggled over the border?

So, we bomb them, and low and behold THEY think that this is all out war. And THEY respond in any way they can. Now is that something we are ready and prepared for, or are we going to simply say, "Whoa, this isn't fair, we weren't ready for all out war, can't you guys take a joke?"

Maybe nuke them to teach them a lesson? That'll do it. Might cause every nation in the world to break relations with us, but hey, you never know. (Which after all is the point.)

Dave

It doesn't ever occur to some of the posters in this thread that they need to plan for what happens after their nice little bombing campaign, when Iranian males line up to join the army by the millions to help take revenge for what is seen in their country as "Iran's Pearl Harbor".

What Iranian males? the ones that were out of the country visiting relatives?

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Originally posted by Squizzer:

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Originally posted by godawgz:

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Originally posted by 5170553:

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Originally posted by Grachus:
While I don't have FlankerFlyers analysis, it must be getting through to people that this administration, to use that old cliche, "is not grounded in reality."

Haven't they proved over and over again, that they act on the basis of what they Expect will happen as opposed to what Could happen?

A nice little clean bombing of Iranian installations to "teach them a lesson?" Of course, do the Iranians see things that way? What can they do to respond?

Well, if we're ready for all out war with them, then we should go to all out war with them. Bring back the draft, raise taxes to pay for this, and do it!

Would you say we are ready for this all out war? The American people going to back it, on the basis of half a$$ed intelligence about Iranian weapons being smuggled over the border?

So, we bomb them, and low and behold THEY think that this is all out war. And THEY respond in any way they can. Now is that something we are ready and prepared for, or are we going to simply say, "Whoa, this isn't fair, we weren't ready for all out war, can't you guys take a joke?"

Maybe nuke them to teach them a lesson? That'll do it. Might cause every nation in the world to break relations with us, but hey, you never know. (Which after all is the point.)

Dave

It doesn't ever occur to some of the posters in this thread that they need to plan for what happens after their nice little bombing campaign, when Iranian males line up to join the army by the millions to help take revenge for what is seen in their country as "Iran's Pearl Harbor".

What Iranian males? the ones that were out of the country visiting relatives?

Maybe you should take a look at Iran with Google earth or something. There is no way in the world an attack by the US (One that doesn't also obliterate Iran's neighbours far and near) will have much affect on the amount of Iranian males that would be after your head should such a thing occur.