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Originally posted by Ol_Doc:

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Originally posted by biggatorsc:
The US is the only one with balls enough to do anything about Iran. Hopefully any ops conducted will turn out much better than the failed hostage rescue attempt under Uncle Jimmy.

By all means, let's open another front with Iran. We have plenty of fresh ground troops, right? Besides, we can contract Blackwater to fight the war if we don't have the troops. Just borrow a few hundred billion more from the Peoples Republic of China.

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This is folly pure and simple. When pragmatic decisions are based purely on ideology, a nation is in trouble.

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:

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This is folly pure and simple. When pragmatic decisions are based purely on ideology, a nation is in trouble.

And Bush doesnt really care about the consequences as long as his name is in the history books, good or bad. He will benefit from the $200/bbl oil that WILL result from ANY action against Iran. That $200/bbl oil overnight will result in a domino effect that will destroy the US economy.
Besides, this Iranian attack is a way for Bush to stay in power under martial law because all hell WILL break out globally if he does such a thing and Allies will bail on him fast as heck when he does.
Do any of you think that even an air attack is worth as many as 8000 US lives WHEN it doesnt go as Bush plans (ie, 2 aircraft carriers sunk as well as tankers clogging the straits)?

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Originally posted by outlaws93:


you do know bush or this admin has no control over the price of oil or gas.... you know that right??? also funny that you are saying what bush cares about and you dont even know the man.... but yet you know what he is thinking or care about... funny huh...

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Originally posted by oldmole:

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Originally posted by rayevinsonsr:

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Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Though I can't support what Iraq is doing, especially when our boys are getting hurt or killed. I do question one thing.

Are we any better? Didn't we after all, supply weapons and advisors to Afghanistan during their war with Russia?

I see the logic in your words but we're the good guys.

Yeah, we supplied Mujahadeen and Pakistan with 6 billion dollars of things that went pop. In the end we saw the Soviets Union go belly up. My idea of the timing was self preservation on our part in this part of the world. (Persian gulf) The Shah was still secure in Tehran and Russia needing a warm water port plus having lost much of their presence in the middle east by then, saw opportunity. Besides the direct conflict of interest with the Soviets in Europe, Africa, Cuba, etc..Afghanistan/Pakistan was added to the list.

The Shah fled in January 1979 ... the Soviets didn't invade until December.

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by outlaws93:


you do know bush or this admin has no control over the price of oil or gas.... you know that right??? also funny that you are saying what bush cares about and you dont even know the man.... but yet you know what he is thinking or care about... funny huh...

Are you saying that Flanker Flyer is wrong that the price of oil will go up?

Do you think that Mr. Bush has no idea that prices will go up? Perhaps you're right, he has no idea...

But of course the price of oil is just one consideration.

But to believe that the resistance we are experiencing in Iraq, will somehow go away if only we got rid of Iran, is wishful thinking on a Grand Scale. Men, not guns is what we are fighting. And there are more arms running around loose in Iraq, quite independent of what the Iranians are doing. Indeed, according to the State Department the largest financial backers of the insurgents are Saudi's - Yet oddly enough, not a word about attacking them.

Dave

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i am saying that bush or his admin has no control of the price of oil or gas... they can put taxes on it but thats it... they can not raise or lower the price.... opec sets the price per barrel and the free market sets the price at the pump.... not any one person can do either....

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Originally posted by outlaws93:

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by outlaws93:


you do know bush or this admin has no control over the price of oil or gas.... you know that right??? also funny that you are saying what bush cares about and you dont even know the man.... but yet you know what he is thinking or care about... funny huh...

Are you saying that Flanker Flyer is wrong that the price of oil will go up?

Do you think that Mr. Bush has no idea that prices will go up? Perhaps you're right, he has no idea...

But of course the price of oil is just one consideration.

But to believe that the resistance we are experiencing in Iraq, will somehow go away if only we got rid of Iran, is wishful thinking on a Grand Scale. Men, not guns is what we are fighting. And there are more arms running around loose in Iraq, quite independent of what the Iranians are doing. Indeed, according to the State Department the largest financial backers of the insurgents are Saudi's - Yet oddly enough, not a word about attacking them.

Dave

i am saying that bush or his admin has no control of the price of oil or gas... they can put taxes on it but thats it... they can not raise or lower the price.... opec sets the price per barrel and the free market sets the price at the pump.... not any one person can do either....

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
why attack the saudis??? their gov is actually doing everything they can do to help us... alqueda hates them as much if not more then they do us....

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Recent Statements on Saudi Arabia and Iraq
Two audio tapes released by Osama Bin Laden in December 2004 called for
continued attacks on U.S. forces and interests and provided further insight into Al
Qaeda’s ideology and political goals. Each message was addressed to a specific
audience and revealed Bin Laden’s perspectives on unfolding events in Iraq, Saudi
Arabia, and the Palestinian territories. The first tape, released on December 16,
2004, received media attention for its praise of an Al Qaeda-affiliated group’s attack
on the U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia in early December 2004.
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The
remainder of the tape was devoted to delivering a litany of religiously based
criticisms of the Saudi royal family for its support for the United States and its
insufficient commitment to the implementation of Islamic law and moral principles.
Inthe tape, Bin Laden appealeddirectlyto “thesilent ulema” (religious scholars) and
business and community leaders in Saudi Arabia to withdraw their support for the
ruling Al Saud family.
A second tape, released on December 27, 2004, underscored Al Qaeda’s interest
in Iraq and support for the ongoing insurgency. In this recording, Bin Laden
personally welcomed and endorsed Jordanian-born terrorist leader Abu Musab Al
Zarqawi as an Al Qaeda affiliate and leader of Al Qaeda operations in Iraq.
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The
remainder of the tape described the importance of the conflict in Iraq to the jihadist
cause from Al Qaeda’s perspective. Bin Laden identified the insurgency in Iraq as
“a golden and unique opportunity” for jihadists to engage and defeat the United
States, and he characterized the insurgency in Iraq as the central battle in a “Third
World War, which the Crusader-Zionist coalition began against theIslamic nation.”
18
Describing Baghdad as “the capital of the caliphate,” Bin Laden asserted that “jihad
in Palestine and Iraq today is a duty for the people of the two countries” and other
Muslims. He also employed well-known Quranic injunctions against failing to
contribute to “the cause of God” to appealed to Muslims to support Al Qaeda and its
jihadist affiliates politically, financially, and militarily.

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why attack the saudis??? their gov is actually doing everything they can do to help us...

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McCain: Iran is training Al Queda agents and sending them into Iraq

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Originally posted by Brest1944:

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why attack the saudis??? their gov is actually doing everything they can do to help us...

A few years ago, a state-sponsored telethon raised more than $100 million to fund Palestinian groups. That's far more than Saddam ever did.

http://www.jcpa.org/art/brief1-23.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,50260,00.html

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Originally posted by Brest1944:

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McCain: Iran is training Al Queda agents and sending them into Iraq

Did you actually read your own link ?

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:

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Originally posted by EAG154:
Mullas with mega bombs....Now thats scary

Pakistan already has them and just tested a new IRBM which further increases the threat posed to the entire region. Pakistan is no more stable than Iran, yet no one is calling for them to give up nuclear weapons.

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Originally posted by Sgt_Schlappy:

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:

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Originally posted by EAG154:
Mullas with mega bombs....Now thats scary

Pakistan already has them and just tested a new IRBM which further increases the threat posed to the entire region. Pakistan is no more stable than Iran, yet no one is calling for them to give up nuclear weapons.

We're not asking Iran to "give up" nuclear weapons...we're trying to prevent them from having the ability to make them. Big difference.

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Originally posted by Sgt_Schlappy:

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:

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Originally posted by EAG154:
Mullas with mega bombs....Now thats scary

Pakistan already has them and just tested a new IRBM which further increases the threat posed to the entire region. Pakistan is no more stable than Iran, yet no one is calling for them to give up nuclear weapons.

We're not asking Iran to "give up" nuclear weapons...we're trying to prevent them from having the ability to make them. Big difference.