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We are up against a new wave of lethality sponsored by the enemies of the people of Iraq and its government," said Army Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, commander of a division in central Iraq.He emphasized that withdrawing troops from Iraq would be a "giant step backward" — a day after Republican Sen. John W. Warner of Virginia recommended a basically symbolic pullout of some troops by Christmas
http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070825/NATION/108250046/1001
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NO WAY...say it aint sooo. It must be some right wing conspiracie theory here! We should negotiate with Iran! Ask them to please stop this, they're hurting the fragile peace in Iraq!
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There is a reason why a General would say this! He's there on the ground with the soldiers who are doing the job that many can't even fathom of doing!
I don't advocate invading Iran, however, we can't just let them do what they have been doing go un-answered! I say we hit them where it hurts, their oil refineary!!!
This is why we can't have Hitlery or Obama as POTUS!
 
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now now there are some that dont believe iran is a threat.... they refuse to accept that they are even in iraq....


 
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This is why we can't have Hitlery or Obama as POTUS!
and what do you plan to do to make sure neither gets to be POTUS? You're kind of bordering on a threat here.
 
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We only need to take a look at the neighborhood and see what the motivations are:

Saudi Arabia: No interest in democracy in Iraq. It puts pressure on their phony government and by definition, democracy means Shiia control, which is another no-no for them.

Syria: Most Saudi (50% + of captured insurgent) are coming from there. Syria is playing hardball with us. They want us to backout on the investigation in the PM assassination in Lebanon and bring us back to talking about getting the Golan heights back.

Iran: Iran played ball in Afghanistan with us, and was instrumental initially in helping stabilize Karzai government. However, they are becoming stupid now and are playing with fire. They must believe the more involved we are in Iraq there is less chance of an attach on them.

Turkey: Turkey does not want an independent Kurdistan. They are probably the only major neighbor who wants a democratic unified Iraq. However, they would never go with a federalized system of government.
 
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how is that a threat??? i would say only in your mind....


 
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now now there are some that dont believe iran is a threat.... they refuse to accept that they are even in iraq....
Russia and China also supplys our enemys there with weapons, as well as supplying Cuba and Venezuela with conventional and hi-tech weapons, and we are on good terms with them. Where's your outrage here?
 
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Gen. Lynch — whose division has seen heavy fighting in the south of Baghdad — said former civilian sympathizers of al Qaeda in Iraq are no longer supporting the radical regime.

Heavy U.S. security in the region has led to a 26 percent decline in attacks in the Multinational Division Center, and civilian casualties have decreased by 36 percent, Gen. Lynch said in a teleconference with reporters at the Pentagon.


With all due respect to the general, he is overstating his case. While some, even many, former sympathizers of AQI no longer cooperate with them, it is pretty clear that at least some of them still are, or those declines would be much steeper. Cool
 
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Threat? Come on now leeky, don't be a hardcore left about this!
Like many on this forum, I have served to make sure that our freedoms are guaranteed. I'll never threaten ANY American elected official. I can think of someone worse besides Hitlery or Obama that thinks along the same lines you do!!!
The President of Venezuala, yeah, Hugo Chavez!
Now he's a hardcore socialistic/communistic liberal and he was voted in by his people!
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This is why we can't have Hitlery or Obama as POTUS!
and what do you plan to do to make sure neither gets to be POTUS? You're kind of bordering on a threat here.
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by outlaws93:
now now there are some that dont believe iran is a threat.... they refuse to accept that they are even in iraq....
Russia and China also supplys our enemys there with weapons, as well as supplying Cuba and Venezuela with conventional and hi-tech weapons, and we are on good terms with them. Where's your outrage here?[/QUOTE}

If Cuba or Venezuela using Russian or Chinese weapons engage the USA then the outrage will be apparent. Last time this occurred Fidel lost a better than even chance of having a submissive American President give him full amnesty and open the door to free trade to American products. Castro screwed up and shot down American civilian aircraft killing the occupants. On a previous engagement Castro along with his communist Russian allies brought the world close to nuclear war. Venezuela has yet to raise their ugly heads to challenge the American armed forces. I say, don't wait. Take the bum out now. Just joking, but Leekujaw you're usually sharper than that.
 
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Iran and Iraq have friendly relations. That's a well-known fact.
 
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We only need to take a look at the neighborhood and see what the motivations are:

Saudi Arabia: No interest in democracy in Iraq. It puts pressure on their phony government and by definition, democracy means Shiia control, which is another no-no for them.

Syria: Most Saudi (50% + of captured insurgent) are coming from there. Syria is playing hardball with us. They want us to backout on the investigation in the PM assassination in Lebanon and bring us back to talking about getting the Golan heights back.

Iran: Iran played ball in Afghanistan with us, and was instrumental initially in helping stabilize Karzai government. However, they are becoming stupid now and are playing with fire. They must believe the more involved we are in Iraq there is less chance of an attach on them.

Turkey: Turkey does not want an independent Kurdistan. They are probably the only major neighbor who wants a democratic unified Iraq. However, they would never go with a federalized system of government.



Saudi Arabia:Has nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with Sunni buffer zone between them and Iran.


Syria: Golan Heights is not in New York City. Someone better inquire of Tel Aviv first. The last time Syria played hardball with any other country than small Lebanon their air force was defeated and their arse was handed to them in 20 minutes.

Iran: Has never played ball with the US. They agreed to look after any down planes and pilots in Iran if it should arise. Since the fighting took place in east Afghanistan the event never took place. The overtures Iran is making is reminiscient Saddam describing the "mother of all battles". Never ever underestimate the enemy, But I have faith in the US Armed Forces. BTW, how does one fight a battle without petrol, a product Iran seems to have a lack of.

Turkey: No one wants an independent Kurdistan. Sometimes you don't get what you want. After the centuries under dictators and colonialism I wish them well.
 
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The balloon will go up when Iran screws with passage in the straits of Hormuz, likely not until.


Neocons....always willing to fight to the last drop of someone else's blood.
 
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A democratic Iraq will always be dominated by Shia politicians, since they are the majority and Shia will always vote for Shia.

Since Iran is a Shia country, they will always have some influence on a democratic Iraq.

Why else would Iraq support Iran’s “right” to have a nuclear technology?


Iraqi Minister Backs Iran on Nuclear Research
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/26/world/middleeast/26cn...rtner=rssnyt&emc=rss

"Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari of Iraq today endorsed the right of Iran to pursue the "technological and scientific capabilities" needed to create nuclear power for peaceful purposes, in the first high-level meeting between officials from the new Iraqi government and its eastern neighbor."
 
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Saudi Arabia:Has nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with Sunni buffer zone between them and Iran.


A true democracy in the region will put tremendous pressure on the legitimacy of Saudi's dictatorship government. The would never want any sort of democracy flourish as its own people we'll began to dream big. Not a good thing if you are running a kingdom, drive expensive European cars and like to party with blond girls all the time instead of spending the money to build a real economy.
 
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Iran: Has never played ball with the US. They agreed to look after any down planes and pilots in Iran if it should arise. Since the fighting took place in east Afghanistan the event never took place. The overtures Iran is making is reminiscient Saddam describing the "mother of all battles". Never ever underestimate the enemy, But I have faith in the US Armed Forces. BTW, how does one fight a battle without petrol, a product Iran seems to have a lack of.


I guess they sure fooled the Council on Foreign Relations, then.
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2001: Post-9/11 Cooperation on Afghanistan

Like nearly all world leaders, Ayatollah Khamenei condemned the attacks of 9/11. After the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan toppled the Taliban government, American and Iranian diplomats met together in Bonn, with a handful of representatives from other UN members, to form a new government and constitution for Kabul. “None was more [helpful] than the Iranians,” said James Dobbins, the U.S. special envoy to Afghanistan at the time, writing in the Washington Post. “The original version of the Bonn agreement ... neglected to mention either democracy or the war on terrorism. It was the Iranian representative who spotted these omissions and successfully urged that the newly emerging Afghan government be required to commit to both.”

Iran also cooperated with the United Nations to repatriate nearly one million Afghan refugees residing on its soil and—working with United States, Russia, and India—provided support to the Northern Alliance. Flynt Leverett of the Brookings Institution tells CFR.org's Bernard Gwertzman, “I think at least some Iranian officials were hoping could get leveraged into a broader strategic dialogue, but that channel was effectively foreclosed when President Bush in his 2002 State of the Union address labeled Iran as part of the ‘Axis of Evil.’”
http://www.cfr.org/publication/12806/timeline.html#8 Cool
 
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Iran: Has never played ball with the US. They agreed to look after any down planes and pilots in Iran if it should arise. Since the fighting took place in east Afghanistan the event never took place. The overtures Iran is making is reminiscient Saddam describing the "mother of all battles". Never ever underestimate the enemy, But I have faith in the US Armed Forces. BTW, how does one fight a battle without petrol, a product Iran seems to have a lack of.


I guess they sure fooled the Council on Foreign Relations, then.
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2001: Post-9/11 Cooperation on Afghanistan

Like nearly all world leaders, Ayatollah Khamenei condemned the attacks of 9/11. After the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan toppled the Taliban government, American and Iranian diplomats met together in Bonn, with a handful of representatives from other UN members, to form a new government and constitution for Kabul. “None was more [helpful] than the Iranians,” said James Dobbins, the U.S. special envoy to Afghanistan at the time, writing in the Washington Post. “The original version of the Bonn agreement ... neglected to mention either democracy or the war on terrorism. It was the Iranian representative who spotted these omissions and successfully urged that the newly emerging Afghan government be required to commit to both.”

Iran also cooperated with the United Nations to repatriate nearly one million Afghan refugees residing on its soil and—working with United States, Russia, and India—provided support to the Northern Alliance. Flynt Leverett of the Brookings Institution tells CFR.org's Bernard Gwertzman, “I think at least some Iranian officials were hoping could get leveraged into a broader strategic dialogue, but that channel was effectively foreclosed when President Bush in his 2002 State of the Union address labeled Iran as part of the ‘Axis of Evil.’”
http://www.cfr.org/publication/12806/timeline.html#8 Cool



The second paragraph explains the first. Getting shed of one million refugeee's is no small matter. Would never have happened without the invasion. The foremost reason was the water supply and damming by the Taliban, one of the first issues the Theocracy took up with the Kabul government.

How many direct attacks on Americans can be traced to Tehran including the Embassy in Beirut, the Marine Barracks, Seaman Stetham, Col. Higgins, the many hostages. If you don't believe that the rocket attacks against Israel dosen't influence the way the radical muslims think of the Jews chief ally you're sadly mistaken. Each and every action taken by them is for themselves, so your going have to help me with an explanation on the ongoing training in Iran, supplying arms to the idiot Al Sadr and the Taliban. How exactly is that cooperation the US?
 
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The second paragraph explains the first. Getting shed of one million refugees is no small matter. Would never have happened without the invasion. The foremost reason was the water supply and damming by the Taliban, one of the first issues the Theocracy took up with the Kabul government.

How many direct attacks on Americans can be traced to Tehran including the Embassy in Beirut, the Marine Barracks, Seaman Stetham, Col. Higgins, the many hostages. If you don't believe that the rocket attacks against Israel doesn't influence the way the radical Muslims think of the Jews chief ally you're sadly mistaken. Each and every action taken by them is for themselves, so your going have to help me with an explanation on the ongoing training in Iran, supplying arms to the idiot Al Sadr and the Taliban. How exactly is that cooperation the US?


What you are describing happened before and after the cooperation occurred, a window that our President slammed shut when he put them on the axis of evil. As far as the body count goes, I think we still trail, if you are willing to count Flight 655, the Vincennes little "sorry about that". Being hostile to each other generally, and having many competing interests, doesn't mean we don't have some interests in common ... and we would be doing just that if we didn't use the all stick and no carrot approach we are using at the moment. Cool
 
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