The situation in Afghanistan did not go sour in January 2009. The Taliban gained strength and strategic advantage over many years of mismanagement of the war in Afghanistan when George W. Bush was CinC.

“It's time for President Obama to make good on his promise. The White House must stop dithering while America's armed forces are in danger.

Make no mistake, signals of indecision out of Washington hurt our allies and embolden our adversaries. Waffling, while our troops on the ground face an emboldened enemy, endangers them and hurts our cause.”
>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/10/22/concerns_about_americas_foreign_policy_drift.html#

This from a man whose Administration took more than 80 days of “dithering” to come up with the surge strategy while the violence in Iraq was out of control. AND decided that the strategy in Afghanistan should be reviewed after seven years of fighting there.

This from a man who accused anyone who questioned the Bush/Cheney decisions in Iraq of aiding the enemy.

Cheney is trying so hard to cover his tracks that he has to forget the past.

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Originally posted by xerello:
The situation in Afghanistan did not go sour in January 2009. The Taliban gained strength and strategic advantage over many years of mismanagement of the war in Afghanistan when George W. Bush was CinC.

“It's time for President Obama to make good on his promise. The White House must stop dithering while America's armed forces are in danger.

Make no mistake, signals of indecision out of Washington hurt our allies and embolden our adversaries. Waffling, while our troops on the ground face an emboldened enemy, endangers them and hurts our cause.”
>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/10/22/concerns_about_americas_foreign_policy_drift.html#

This from a man whose Administration took more than 80 days of “dithering” to come up with the surge strategy while the violence in Iraq was out of control. AND decided that the strategy in Afghanistan should be reviewed after seven years of fighting there.

This from a man who accused anyone who questioned the Bush/Cheney decisions in Iraq of aiding the enemy.

Cheney is trying so hard to cover his tracks that he has to forget the past.

So when can we expect "The One" to make good on that campaign pledge of making Afghanistan his number 1 priority? I know he is busy and all, but do you think he can cancel one concert on the lawn to have a beer, or two, with his JCS? I think he can do without listening to The Boss for one night.

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Originally posted by crashtestdummy43:
So when can we expect "The One" to make good on that campaign pledge of making Afghanistan his number 1 priority? I know he is busy and all, but do you think he can cancel one concert on the lawn to have a beer, or two, with his JCS? I think he can do without listening to The Boss for one night.

Really, he said it would be his “number one priority”? I missed that quote.

The MAJOR decisions to replace the Commander in Afghanistan and to send more troops has already been made and implemented.

The recent precedent for how long it takes to make a major war decision a – about 80 days.

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Originally posted by NSNN:

Awww looky...NSNN...is so *witty*!!!

As the "Bu****ler" set used to say, it happened on his watch. The Increase in Violence and Casualties in OEF has been since Obama took over, aka "His Watch"

OEF KIA 2008: 155

OEF KIA 2009: 253 and counting

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:
As the "Bu****ler" set used to say, it happened on his watch. The Increase in Violence and Casualties in OEF has been since Obama took over, aka "His Watch"

OEF KIA 2008: 155

OEF KIA 2009: 253 and counting

Oh yeah????? Well.........that's Bush's fault...Yeah, that's it...Bush....and Cheney....Bush.....Cheney....Bush....Cheney....KBR....Yeah.....that's it.

I don't think I have heard anyone belly ache about other people as much as Obama has, this guy is a world class whiner.

It's about time you dimwitt dems impeached this whiner, let the U.S.A. move ahead and not be dragged down into the cespool of commie finger pointers!

There was a lot of whining when I was in the service but nothing compaired to the current administration

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Originally posted by NSNN:

Not bad, I like this one better

i think you are mixing apples and oranges..the up turn in enemy activity in a-stan is a direct result of the gutless europeans not sending enough troops to help. obama not sending troops has to do with his political base wanting us to cut and run. they really dont care how many troops die in the process. the r.o.e. that obama has in place should tell you all that.

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Originally posted by xerello:

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Originally posted by crashtestdummy43:
So when can we expect "The One" to make good on that campaign pledge of making Afghanistan his number 1 priority? I know he is busy and all, but do you think he can cancel one concert on the lawn to have a beer, or two, with his JCS? I think he can do without listening to The Boss for one night.

Really, he said it would be his “number one priority”? I missed that quote.

The MAJOR decisions to replace the Commander in Afghanistan and to send more troops has already been made and implemented.

The recent precedent for how long it takes to make a major war decision a – about 80 days.

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Originally posted by backtoiraq:
i think you are mixing apples and oranges..the up turn in enemy activity in a-stan is a direct result of the gutless europeans not sending enough troops to help. obama not sending troops has to do with his political base wanting us to cut and run. they really dont care how many troops die in the process. the r.o.e. that obama has in place should tell you all that.

Take what you just said and you can see why Europeans aren't sending more. They see Obama trying to cut and run, maybe leaving them holding the bag. While I wish they would bare more of the burden, I have to ask. Would you commit to more of the burden when the folks that got you there are waffling to the point of cut and run?

I and others said it during Bush's years and I will say it now. The politics and bickering need to stop at our shores. We need to stand strong and support the effort. As it stands, the same ones who carried on and gave the world the wrong message are doing it now. This time to their own man. It is IMO that they are also the reason for the current ROE because Obama is attempting to appease them too.

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Originally posted by Woody_in_La:

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Originally posted by backtoiraq:
i think you are mixing apples and oranges..the up turn in enemy activity in a-stan is a direct result of the gutless europeans not sending enough troops to help. obama not sending troops has to do with his political base wanting us to cut and run. they really dont care how many troops die in the process. the r.o.e. that obama has in place should tell you all that.

Take what you just said and you can see why Europeans aren't sending more. They see Obama trying to cut and run, maybe leaving them holding the bag. While I wish they would bare more of the burden, I have to ask. Would you commit to more of the burden when the folks that got you there are waffling to the point of cut and run?

I and others said it during Bush's years and I will say it now. The politics and bickering need to stop at our shores. We need to stand strong and support the effort. As it stands, the same ones who carried on and gave the world the wrong message are doing it now. This time to their own man. It is IMO that they are also the reason for the current ROE because Obama is attempting to appease them too.

You didn't notice the irony in your call to stop the politics and bickering, did you?

I heard Cheneys speach and he was right on the money.

Obama is so under qualified and lacking the maturity to be the POTUS it repels the mind.

Obamas daily morning mantra,
*No mistake is to big or to small that I can't find something or someone to blame it on.*

Wheres the buck?? Obama sure doesnt have it.

Cheney is a thousand times smarter then Obama and has no problem accepting responsibility.

I sure wish the two of them would go hunting together.

I suggested the CIC was making military assumptions on political problems. His/Europe inclduing Russia was to offered Tehran every conceiveable option on getting out of the nuclear weapons business. Now, that Tehran has poo poo the idea, his absence of outrage of Iran murdering and imprisoning their citizens, using surrogates in Lebanon firing missiles into Israel, offering Syria trade relations along with Europe special status, cancelling the defense shield in eastern Europe, everyone of these making our allies hostile to the Americans in southern Asia and Persian gulf. Thus, rendering more harm to our country since Jimmy Carter.

The subject matter is, Cheney covering his tracks, will not get one more American soldier killed, procrastinating supporting him will.

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Originally posted by Woody_in_La:

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Originally posted by backtoiraq:
i think you are mixing apples and oranges..the up turn in enemy activity in a-stan is a direct result of the gutless europeans not sending enough troops to help. obama not sending troops has to do with his political base wanting us to cut and run. they really dont care how many troops die in the process. the r.o.e. that obama has in place should tell you all that.

Take what you just said and you can see why Europeans aren't sending more. They see Obama trying to cut and run, maybe leaving them holding the bag. While I wish they would bare more of the burden, I have to ask. Would you commit to more of the burden when the folks that got you there are waffling to the point of cut and run?

I and others said it during Bush's years and I will say it now. The politics and bickering need to stop at our shores. We need to stand strong and support the effort. As it stands, the same ones who carried on and gave the world the wrong message are doing it now. This time to their own man. It is IMO that they are also the reason for the current ROE because Obama is attempting to appease them too.

The current ROE did not get established right after President Obama became CinC, it was established a few weeks after General McCrystal took command in A-stan.

General McChrystal’s ROE were written by and his staff, based on a guidance that he and his staff wrote titled:

“Protecting the people is the mission. The conflict will be won by persuading the people, not by destroying the enemy.”
>http://www.scribd.com/doc/19075680/COMISAF-COIN-GUIDANCE


General McChrystal’s plan is to defeat the Taliban by being nice to the Afghan people; which requires a ROE that is far more restrictive than any that American forces have fought under before; while fighting an against an Afghan insurgency that has never, ever been defeated in all of history AND fighting against al Qaeda who do not care about winning hearts and minds but will slaughter Muslims and Americans alike to wage their twisted jihad.

All that to prop up a corrupt Afghani government.

Now Cheney does not know any better. But how can someone who has been in the military want to send troops into a situation where they cannot wage all out war to defeat the enemy?


Just in case anyone wants to know about the ROE first hand from someone who is fighting in A-stan right now - here is a link.
http://forums.military.com/eve...432001#7310039432001

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But how can someone who has been in the military want to send troops into a situation where they cannot wage all out war to defeat the enemy?

I guess the same way someone that has been a LEO can send cops into a crime-ridden neighborhood to arrest a shooter ... without leveling buildings and shooting at everyone in sight.

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Originally posted by jack_flats:

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Originally posted by xerello:

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Originally posted by crashtestdummy43:
So when can we expect "The One" to make good on that campaign pledge of making Afghanistan his number 1 priority? I know he is busy and all, but do you think he can cancel one concert on the lawn to have a beer, or two, with his JCS? I think he can do without listening to The Boss for one night.

Really, he said it would be his “number one priority”? I missed that quote.

The MAJOR decisions to replace the Commander in Afghanistan and to send more troops has already been made and implemented.

The recent precedent for how long it takes to make a major war decision a – about 80 days.

No he stated that Afgnistan was the war of necessity, how could anyone confuse that with "Priority #1"? We all know know that building a Socialist government was priority #1. Tomatoes, tomahtoes, potatoes, potahtoes. Bottom line is I would have far more confidence in Cheney than anyone else overseeing the prosecution of the war in Afganistan situated in the current administration.

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Originally posted by xerello:
The situation in Afghanistan did not go sour in January 2009. The Taliban gained strength and strategic advantage over many years of mismanagement of the war in Afghanistan when George W. Bush was CinC.

“It's time for President Obama to make good on his promise. The White House must stop dithering while America's armed forces are in danger.

Make no mistake, signals of indecision out of Washington hurt our allies and embolden our adversaries. Waffling, while our troops on the ground face an emboldened enemy, endangers them and hurts our cause.”
>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/10/22/concerns_about_americas_foreign_policy_drift.html#

This from a man whose Administration took more than 80 days of “dithering” to come up with the surge strategy while the violence in Iraq was out of control. AND decided that the strategy in Afghanistan should be reviewed after seven years of fighting there.

This from a man who accused anyone who questioned the Bush/Cheney decisions in Iraq of aiding the enemy.

Cheney is trying so hard to cover his tracks that he has to forget the past.

More like the current administration failing campaign promises and blaming an administration who hasn't even been in office for almost a year. When is President Obama and company going to take responsibillity instead of passing the buck?

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Originally posted by NickBrand:

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Originally posted by xerello:
The situation in Afghanistan did not go sour in January 2009. The Taliban gained strength and strategic advantage over many years of mismanagement of the war in Afghanistan when George W. Bush was CinC.

“It's time for President Obama to make good on his promise. The White House must stop dithering while America's armed forces are in danger.

Make no mistake, signals of indecision out of Washington hurt our allies and embolden our adversaries. Waffling, while our troops on the ground face an emboldened enemy, endangers them and hurts our cause.”
>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/10/22/concerns_about_americas_foreign_policy_drift.html#

This from a man whose Administration took more than 80 days of “dithering” to come up with the surge strategy while the violence in Iraq was out of control. AND decided that the strategy in Afghanistan should be reviewed after seven years of fighting there.

This from a man who accused anyone who questioned the Bush/Cheney decisions in Iraq of aiding the enemy.

Cheney is trying so hard to cover his tracks that he has to forget the past.

More like the current administration failing campaign promises and blaming an administration who hasn't even been in office for almost a year. When is President Obama and company going to take responsibillity instead of passing the buck?

Pointing out that the Bush/Cheney team failed miserably in Afghanistan is not passing the buck - it is keeping the record straight.

Without refuting what Cheney says, some idiots might actually believe that the Bush/Cheney Administration did a good job in A-stan.