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But no base is 'american soil' unless in the 50 states, DC, or a US territory or US embassy by treaty.[/QUOTE]
Interesting. So then, using your logic, my son must not be an American citizen. Though the soil is not American, it is treated as such for as long as the base resides there. Quit splitting hairs. |
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The Goonies own Midway now there is nothing left but an old crumbling runway, how about Bikini Atoll, they will glow in the dark and be easier to spot at night. |
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You go ahead and justify your irrational thinking any way you like. You say these aren't "legal" enemy combatants so they can't be treated as POW's. It's all rationalization. We are at war, these guys are enemy combatants, and they are sitting in a POW camp. Spin it any way you want, that's the bottom line. You (and your liberal friends) would really hate my alternative solution to the "detainee problem". And for the record, I fought in Iraq, I do not hate Muslims or Middle Easterners, and I would like to see the war end just as much as you would. I suspect my ending and yours would be completely different though. Radical and extreme America hating Muslims should all be hunted down and killed. OK, it's your turn, label me a neanderthal and then call me names. |
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1. You don't meet my definition of Neanderthal, for you FULLY articulate what you believe, I just don't agree with it; if you couldn't articulate it yet are passionate about those beliefs, that's drifting into Neander Waters to me. 2. My MAIN beef with a Gitmo, is the short sightedness of it's creation (seemingly), it's a sore that will produce more problems (terrorists) than it'll ever solve in the Long Term. 3. A few FORMER Chiefs and now this current one are speaking similar of this Eyesore and they're not Liberal, maybe they are now like Jim WEBB but who beliefs changed? 4. If someone is held there for years and then JUST released, what does that say of WHY they were detained? 5. How many that have been held there, been tried (and convicted) for ANY Terror or similar crimes? I saw on CSPAN, I think it was less than 3 (if any), I thought they said none but were still preparing cases. 6. What I BELIEVE is your solution is indeed one, concerning those that are there, I just don't agree with it but it's actually BETTER than what we're doing now, not much though but definitely better. 7. Thanks for your service. |
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Palm pilot? Or do they let E3's fly? Suspended 23 Jan 08 dmuhler New Member |
All political, moral, legal, and sentimental reasons aside, I think its a damn shame to close a facility that we arent even finished building yet. Yes, it had bad karma and all that, but the place is new. Surely they can find something to do with it. (besides just closing it)
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Man you said it all and said it well. This isn't a Liberal-Conservative issue. This is an American Moral Authority issue. We shouldn't keep having to bend and twist our laws, rules, which in essence is about OUR Way of life, to combat some religious zealouts(NUTs) that got lucky on us 11Sep2001. We should broadcast what we're doing, how will it be deemed a negative? It'll show the MEast how we do it, those acts won't be tolerated and those responsible will be held accountable. Now tell me how OUR CURRENT system(s) doesn't ALLOW that? We're EVEN trying to CHANGE the meaning of torture to justify our incompetence on this. MLK (and others of course) tried to show how you defeat true evil, you expose it, turn it against itself (convince OTHERs NOT to) but thinking you can "KILL THEN all", only produces MANY more of the very thing you're trying to exterminate. |
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Closing GITMO is a bad decision...bringing the inmates to CONUS is a worse idea...
Personally...I could care less about what "THE WORLD" thinks of the US...we have built and rebuilt "THE WORLD" many times over...if they don't like GITMO...then "THE WORLD" can house the prisoners...take them off our hands... |
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Right back at ya'. |
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10934224 has it right. Put them to sleep, place very small undetectable GPS implants in them. Return them to the same " Battle theatre;" Iraq, Afghanistan etc---where they were captured! Encourage them to re-enter the fight, remind them of the 72-virgins who are impatiently waiting for them---hahahaheeheehee. Heck, just airdrop them into the Afghan/Pak area, more bang for the buck that way. Platoon Sergeant, USArmy (R)---Please the world, makum luv us. All Gods chillun needs luv. God bless the USA and our military men, who have borne the cost of this terrorist invented war.
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JCS Chairman Wants Gitmo Shut Down The chief of the U.S. military said Jan. 13 he favors shutting down the prison at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base as soon as possible because negative publicity worldwide about treatment of terrorist suspects there has been "pretty damaging" to the image of the United States. What’s the matter with him? Is he getting paranoid?  Let the minority thinking negative and saying it’s damaging to the US get lost. That’s a good way to find out who are making up lies and who is on the right side of things. Open Alcatraz back up and put them to work there. Lets shut the negative up with putting them on that hell forsaken island and put it off limits to civilian trouble makers. Lock them all up with this one below to start with on Alcatraz.    |
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Warning to all: No more racist nor bigoted religious remarks. Discuss the topic and leave those comments out.
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Funny, when I was in the Navy anyone from Admiral on down who qustioned authority the way this CNO is was written up for insubordination. As for the prioners at Gitmo.. HELLO!!!! they are the ENEMY!!!! Their not entitled to ANY rights of ANY kind. Not even the Geneva Convention since they are not soldiers. They nothing bloodthirsty THUGS! Until this country gets over being such bleeding hearted mamas-boys, we are on a road to defeat.
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My momma said (concerning your request)... HARD to change a "MADE Up" mind sometimes? One of the most difficult things in life is to UNLEARN something, rather it's true or false. You at least hit on why we'll be going about this "Terror" Thwarting thing via the SCENIC route. The LONG Way. |
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I never cease to be amazed at all the bleeding hearts on this forum. It is hard to believe this is a military forum when so many of the posters here have such anti-military, leftist views. Perhaps this website should be renamed anti-military.com
The idea that our image in the world (more specifically Europe) has been damaged because of Gitmo is crap. Anyone who has spent any time in the military knows that most of the so-called "enlightened" countries have never been all that fond of us and generally view us as barbarians. During tours in Europe in the late 60's and early 70's we were told to not wear our military uniforms off-post because of the danger of attack by our NATO allies' citizens. I can remember many mornings when I would find my car trashed by the peace-loving citizens of Europe, merely because it had U.S. armed forces license plates. My experiences in Asia and the Americas has not been much better. The United States has rarely been loved anywhere by anyone. (Anyone who doubts this hasn’t spent enough time overseas.) But we are not alone. The British in the 18th and 19th century, Spain in the 16th and 17th centuries, and the Romans during the time of the empire were equally reviled. This is not a new phenomenon for any nation with a monopoly of wealth and power. Our problem is that we, as a country, want to be loved. The reality is that instead we should want to be feared. Machiavelli had it right when he said that it was far safer to be feared than loved. Our problem is that we are neither loved or feared. It is unlikely that these terrorists (or the world for that matter) will ever love us. And by our weakness in dealing with these terrorists it is equally unlikely they will ever fear us either. Our conduct in the war on terror and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq has been far more measured and humane than in any of our past wars, yet the left in this country rants about cruelty and torture. The left in this country doesn’t really care about Mohammed in Gitmo. Their real agenda is to disparage the United States, its military, and, by extension, George Bush. There may be a few innocent detainees in Gitmo, but I doubt it. In any event there are far fewer innocents in Gitmo than there were in the World Trade Center. I don’t give a fig about anyone in Gitmo. And I assure you that were the situation reversed nobody in Gitmo would give a fig about any of us. In a just world the prisoners in Gitmo would have been treated like non-uniformed combatants (i.e. spys and saboteurs) have been treated for hundreds of years - they would have been interrogated and then put up against a wall and shot. |
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I wish the U.S. Attorney General was as concerned about prisoner conditions and the immediate release of innocent U.S. citizens, or at least those who are not a threat to America, or have served enough time. Remember the "the punishment must fit the crime"? With over 100-men, finally released from death row--because they were FINALLY proven innocent, I think more citizens should get off their *** and ask the CJS and AG look into the rights of our own. Many of the 2,000,000+ U.S. citizens locked up, thanks to the Dept. Of Corrections industrial complex; are young and fit for military duty. They should be screened and properly cleared, released from prison and fitted for a military uniforn. These young men could be a great assist to our young men currently serving repeatedly in the zone, my son, on his 3rd turn like many could use a hand, I hope the chairman and ag will get their priorities straight. Read my prior in-put above. Platoon sergeant, USArmy, (R) God bless warriors
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1000 AMENS for this post!!!!
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"Leader of Marines, Killer of Communists, Distributor of Death and Destruction, Etc,." Member  |
All I know is, some of the ones who have been released, have been RE-Captured on the battlefields. How's that for keepin up with current events? You want to feel compassionate towards these "Victims", why don't you offer to take a couple into your house with maybe a tracking ankle-bracelet for security? Ambulance chasing lawyers and liberals are gonna be the death of this country. |
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Im afraid you dont understand how the Pentagon does things. first we spend millions to either build a new base or to upgrade one then we close it down to save money and ship the personel somewhere else then do it again. Its similar to another AF program in which we buy parts we dont need then order them scrapped before they are delivered. |
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IMAGINE how much more hilarious that would be if it weren't so true?  But that's really the fault of our Executive and Legislative Branches than military. |
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Isn't there a financial reason for shutting down Gitmo. The military men station there can be bolstering the economy of a US city. Financially it has to be cheaper to have that base here in the US than in Cuba.
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