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There is now a MARSOC component serving under USSOCOM...but perhaps this little experiment to see if Uncle Sam's Misguided Children can play nice with others will soon end given the fact they were kicked out of Afghanistan in their first deployment. How very sad to see SOCOM take a black eye because some politicians wanted their Devil Dogs play dress up as SOF troops. MARSOC Kicked out of Afghanistan |
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Here, here, actually it was funny that it was in Investors Business Daily and the MSM ignored the story. Then again maybe it is not funny at all but more evidence that the MSM is our enemy along with al Qaeda. |
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Well if you want to say the Rangers are like the ROTC then that is your opinion. |
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The MSM was treacherous back in the NAM days and they have not changed one iota. What they did then and are doing now is borderline treason, pure and simple. If there was more coverage of guys like SSG Covel, Lt. Giswold, SSG Falcon, and my friend the Major with a possitive spin, what a difference that would make. The only one out there that keeps the military in a positive light, to my knowledge, is Lou Dobbs on CNN. |
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The popularity of the BEST Damned-Military-Concept in the world has been declining for quite some time. I initially came to the conclusion that I was just protective and over zealous of such a fine and superb concept. Looking back I can painfully see that the Green Berets have become a Political excuse for our Elected Administrations, specifically the Reagan, Bush, Bush, with possible beginnings in the Nixon administration. It is very evident that these administrations have been more concerned with re-inventing and fixing the WHEEL than doing the job for which they were elected, taking care of the COUNTRY and protecting the interest of it's CITICENS. Sooner or later on the Green Berets wiil fall the blame for Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran. While digesting this, remember these Names, Ronald Reagan/Oliver North/Bush/Rumsfeld and those who were running the White House. Bush/Rumsfeld/Chaney,and other elected members of congress. I consider Colin Powell a damaged Victim and not a contributor.
Yes, they are politicizing the good concepts that have always proved their worth in order to replace them with their own ineffective ones. As they attempt to persuade you should consider some of the comments that you've heard in the past, such as 'WMDs, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, and the use of others who attempt to discredit the Green Berets. |
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Well if you want to bring up Vietnam might as well name those presidents too. John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and Richard Nixon. |
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Actually, I think it was JFK who sanctioned the creation of the Green Berets and transforming UDT into SEALS. |
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I was always told a Green Beret was what we wear Special Forces is what we are. The news media is as confused as the public when it comes to the difference between Special Forces and Special Operations. Tell any of them that you are Special Forces and they say " Oh, like Rangers or SEALS". No idiots like a Green Beret, you know Sylvester Stallone. I always felt uncomfortable saying I was a Green Beret. But it seems this has blurred the clarity as to who and what we are. Thus allowing those in the conventional forces who would say behind my back that SF stood for Sort of Funny (Jealousy) to make inroads to the eventual demise of Special Forces. They hate us because we don't always shave, we don't march like they do, but most of all we're just to independant minded for them. We will offer bad guys carrots before we hit them with a big stick. Our unconventional methods are successful, we win and they can't stand it. Airborne!
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This is again another ploy to destroy America from within..Keep the marines doing what they have always done.. storm the beaches... SF needs to remain in the Army structure and continue to strenghten... It seems clear that after being home from the VN war for 39 years the idiots are still running the show.. "God please help America"....
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Well, with John Wayne gone............it's just not the same anymore............snif.
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I agree with you 100%. If it isn't broken, don't try to fix it. Sine Pari!!! |
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this comes as no surprise. sf has been the unwanted bastard child since its creation. one only has to look to career advancement to see that general staffs are void of any real operators, only tabbed clowns taking valuable training slots for padding their ladders. Carter the joke and his cronies took it down the present road with his throw everyone in a pot so no one feels left out rescue attempt. SF will not die but be underfunded and attached to legs to do their dirty work.
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I am an old Naval Aviator, who spent a lot of time with the Marines. They are a fine fighting force and capable of many things, as are the seals. However, their training and order of battle is different from that of the Green Beanies. Jointness is great, but specialization is still needed in many cases. Somewhere in the dank, dark confines of the puzzle palace, some policy wonk is dreaming of the day when we are all part of the United States Defense Forces, ala CanFor.
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I want the 25 minutes of my life that I spent reading all of this chest puffing drivel back.
My Clubhouse is better than Yours!!! Neener neener neeeener  In case you have al forgotten, Haji do give a rabid rats azz what color your dress uniform is, he's gonna try and blow you to hell and gone ! Special Forces are better than Seals are better than Recon are better than PJss are better than Rangers are better than CCCTs are ...... ANd we can't figure out why republicans and Democrats can't getr along  THis entire argument sound like four brothers who all play 1A college football arguing over wether Offense or defense is the best, while 300,000,000 other people watch them on TV This a a dumbazz argument. |
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Right you are. Now if we can somehow just double the number of them and have a good sized standing force rather than try and make commitments we can not support around the world, with a military on the cheap. |
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I can not believe the Army destroyed a power symbol to the free world by taking a prized and cherished award earned by few such as the "Green Beret" and treats it by giving it to anyone enlisting in the Army is an insult to all the Green Berets living that risked their lives and many lost their lives in actions that they could only do and it is an insult to all the special forces of the world. Taking the Honored symbol of the Green Beret and giving to any common soldier entering the Army is is a true insult. The brass hats that came up with this one should be fired. Lets take the stars the wear and make them pink daisy's. See how they like wearing the daisy's. I have seen some stupid stuff but this takes the cake. Any one agreeing to do this to the green beret should be shipped to San Fransico and they can put flowers in their hair.
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Gen Shinseki gave the Rangers' black beret to the whole US Army not the Special Forces' green beret.
Hopefully this thread will get back on track about the US Army Special Forces not more interservice squabbling. I am amazed at some of the ignorance on this thread especially as far as the Air Force units in SOF. Note 1: Not all PJ's are in SOF. The majority of PJ's are actually in Air Combat Command, a regular Air Force command. PJ's assigned to Special Tactics Units are considered in SOF. Note 2: TACP's are not considered SOF but there are TACP's assigned to SOF units. Note 3: CCT's are in SOF as AFSOC controls CCT. There are no more conventional CCT units; all STS' now. Back on point, US Army Special Forces is this country's best Unconventional Warfare experts and it would be asinine to get rid of them. |
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(Quote )Back on point, US Army Special Forces is this country's best Unconventional Warfare experts and it would be asinine to get rid of them.(Quote) Two things. First, what's a PJ, some kind of pajamas? Second, I think you might get some flak from Navy Seals about who is better at unconventional warfare. |
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Military.com Forums Hot Topics & Current Events In the News Demise of the Green Berets?
