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Originally posted by Jmpmaztr:
Crackheads don't generally carry automatic rifles, have explosives or believe that if they blow up a cop and themselves in the process they go to heaven with a bunch a virgins.

Save it....some people are just tree huggers, hate america, and think global warming is real

as to the tree hugging hate america post: they all suck. if they dont like it and dont like how this country was won and built and how it is kept get the h*ll out and dont come back (oh but you cant find jobs in another country, to damn bad america is your best bet because people died for you to have the freedoms you so hate)

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Originally posted by MarineWifeSF:
Ok i know i am really late in the discussion but just in case anyone else reads this. some of these posts are realllly realllllly bad. excuse me but who gave any of you the right to judge these MEN> i say MEN because i dont see very many anymore. these wonderful people are over there doing their job. do you honestly think they enjoy it. killing children. UM no. but what i do think is some of you there are toooo many on here to mention are just plain stupid. i will not sugar coat it for anything else. because no i have not been in war. i am not trained for it nor will i ever be. but i am a marine wife and i will tell you this, if it was to be my husband comming home alive and well, And having to kill a child or few: or him comming home in a body bag or with missing limbs and letting children live. HA your f-n funny screw them. they are not over here. i have two babies and i will be the first to say yes they kill children yes it will prey on their mind both those of you who accuse them can go strait to h*ll because my hubby is comming home, my friends are comming home, and my childrens friends are getting their parents back. as to the comment about them being like police officers that is the mose stupid thing i have heard if a police officer does not like his job HE CAN QUIT in war you cannot. "please sir present, or mr officer man may i please go home because if i kill anyone i am goin to ****N prison!!!!

I don't think that Helez (no matter how much I dislike his opinions) was trying to equate being deployed and being a police officer, I think that he was trying to discuss enforcement of ROE violations. He came at if from a very liberal stance in saying basically that we are finally making police officers accountable for actions taken. It has been pretty universal that officers involved in shootings are investigated by an uninvolved agency immediately. I don't just mean a cursery investigation of the incident at hand, but the officer's entire record of use of force from hitting someone, to use of pepper spray, use of baton, use of taser, unholstering of a pistol, up to aiming and firing of the pistol will be taken into consideration. Every time I use force (even if I unholster my pistol to search a building that turns out to be empty) I must complete a use of force report that is reviewed and approved by the chief or his designee upon their return to work. As I have alluded to, I am a police officer and I have also been deployed to Iraq when I was on active duty as an Infantryman in the Army, they are apples and oranges in many ways, but in some are the same. You are there to protect a populace by weeding out those who have intentions that go against the common good of society. Granted, the two situations have completely different means to their ends, but the goal is essentially the same. As far as investigating the use of force in the military goes, it would be extremely counter productive to investigate every time that someone zaps a bad guy, in my opinion, if the commander on the ground feels that the shooting was justified, that is good enough. That being said, if an investigation is warranted, I support it, and hope for it to be fair and come to the correct decision, not just the one that pleases the liberal media.

For those who feel that automatic weapons are not on our streets, I hate to burst your bubble, but they are, and in alarming numbers and used by people who hold no value to human life outside of their own. Unlike the terrorists, they do not want to die for their cause, they only want to kill for it.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FL_AK_47S_FLOL-?...OME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

As far as explosives are concerned.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23497390/

These are just two examples and as time goes by, things will get worse as the criminal element learns to use different weapons and tactics. Whether they be drug dealers or terrorists (either homespun or transplanted remember McVey was a terrorist, too), they are not stupid and will arm themselves in such a way as to put themselves at the advantage in order to achieve their goal.

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Originally posted by helez:
I dare say that, if the children had been American citizens, there would be no question about holding the perpetrators responsible in a court of law.

A lot of progress has been made in holding police officers responsible. There is no reason that military personnel should not be held to the same standrards of professionalism.

Marines are not law enforcement officers, they are killers...Even if this guy did kill all those ppl...ITS WAR MOTHER****ER!

As a Former Marine Veteran deployed in 2003, I know what went through their heads. I say all this is because the media screws everything up making us look bad. Seems like its okay for the enemy to behead, rape, use gorilla war tactics, torture, etc... But when a group of UNITED STATES MARINES that DEFEND are put in a situation to do what they are trained to do (KILL OR BE KILLED) now the UNITED STATES PRESS wants to ruin their lives. I say they have been through enough and are going to stuggle for the rest of their lives with those images in their heads for the rest of their lives. HELP THEM DONT HURT THEM!!!!!

what part of WAR don't they understand!!!! If that was me and I heard gunfire your damn right i would have reacted in the way I was trained. isn't it ironic how the very same people that have sent him over to defend our country want to sentence him to jail for doing his job?? it's very unforunate that the two children were in the wrong place at the wrong time but this is war not play time. that could have easily been our guys that were killed. I'm a Marine mom and a proud one. My son has just left Haditha. I will support this Marine and his family in anyway possible.

I believe that the prosecution of these Marines is Criminal! The individuals killing us [I use the term "us" based upon two (2) tours with Marine Infantry in RVN] and that includes both genders, are un-uniformed combatants, and even under the Law of Land Warfare are subject to summary execution. Under the circumstances sub judice, to pause in the heat of a firefight could cause the death of the actor or fellow Marines. The ones who should be prosecuted are Murtha and Harry both of whom have provided aid and comfort to those who want to kill us. Perhaps those who chose to pursue these charges and specifications, after the investigating officer recommended that all charges be dropped, should be prosecuted for conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline!!!