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Originally posted by 67NOV:
The Haditha case, isn't this where former Marine/Senator Murtha called these folks cold blood killers???

Seantor Murtha would you care to apologize?
I didn't think so.

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Originally posted by MarkAntney:

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Originally posted by 67NOV:
The Haditha case, isn't this where former Marine/Senator Murtha called these folks cold blood killers???

Seantor Murtha would you care to apologize?
I didn't think so.

This is what he said ENTIRELY; http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838343/

"there was no firefight, there was no IED (improvised explosive device) that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood."

Now I wouldn't of used his term but I wouldn't of quoted him out of context either.

Maybe you should be the bigger man and start the apology ball rolling?

Here's more from that same article;

**Military officials told NBC News that the Marine Corps' own evidence appears to show Murtha is right.

A videotape taken by an Iraqi showed the aftermath of the alleged attack: a blood-smeared bedroom floor and bits of what appear to be human flesh and bullet holes on the walls.

The video, obtained by Time magazine, was broadcast a day after town residents told The Associated Press that American troops entered homes on Nov. 19 and shot dead 15 members of two families, including a 3-year-old girl, after a roadside bomb killed a U.S. Marine.

On Nov. 20, U.S. Marines spokesman Capt. Jeffrey Pool issued a statement saying that on the previous day a roadside bomb had killed 15 civilians and a Marine. In a later gunbattle, U.S. and Iraqi troops killed eight insurgents, he said.

U.S. military officials later confirmed that the version of events was wrong.**

Maybe the military officials are just as bad as Murtha in your Conservative Eyes?

Haditha is a mess, regardless of how much you hate Murtha, maybe you both care too much and to emotional on the topic?

The reason I wouldn't use "Cold Blood", for me the term is for someone that wanted someone killed with practically no provocation.

But it does look like Women and Children were shot at the hands of our troops?

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Originally posted by 67NOV:

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Originally posted by MarkAntney:

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Originally posted by 67NOV:
The Haditha case, isn't this where former Marine/Senator Murtha called these folks cold blood killers???

Seantor Murtha would you care to apologize?
I didn't think so.

This is what he said ENTIRELY; http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838343/

"there was no firefight, there was no IED (improvised explosive device) that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood."

Now I wouldn't of used his term but I wouldn't of quoted him out of context either.

Maybe you should be the bigger man and start the apology ball rolling?

Here's more from that same article;

**Military officials told NBC News that the Marine Corps' own evidence appears to show Murtha is right.

A videotape taken by an Iraqi showed the aftermath of the alleged attack: a blood-smeared bedroom floor and bits of what appear to be human flesh and bullet holes on the walls.

The video, obtained by Time magazine, was broadcast a day after town residents told The Associated Press that American troops entered homes on Nov. 19 and shot dead 15 members of two families, including a 3-year-old girl, after a roadside bomb killed a U.S. Marine.

On Nov. 20, U.S. Marines spokesman Capt. Jeffrey Pool issued a statement saying that on the previous day a roadside bomb had killed 15 civilians and a Marine. In a later gunbattle, U.S. and Iraqi troops killed eight insurgents, he said.

U.S. military officials later confirmed that the version of events was wrong.**

Maybe the military officials are just as bad as Murtha in your Conservative Eyes?

Haditha is a mess, regardless of how much you hate Murtha, maybe you both care too much and to emotional on the topic?

The reason I wouldn't use "Cold Blood", for me the term is for someone that wanted someone killed with practically no provocation.

But it does look like Women and Children were shot at the hands of our troops?

He claims to have sources. He's a Senator, maybe he does. But he wouldn't be the first politician to lie to put across what he feels.

The fatc is that the situation as his "sources" stated have been refuted. Therefore, I owe no apology as opposed to the Senator.

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Originally posted by awahilii:
This and last week I have heard the term(s); "three people", "someone", "they", etc., used extensively. I say, "No names...no 'three people',no 'someone', no 'they'. No names, no body(s).
Respects,
Sergeant Major

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Originally posted by leekujawa:
From reading the article, it sounds to me like Rep. Murtha was right. These few "so-called honorable" Marines, are a disgrace to their service and their uniform. They owe every Marine, living and dead, an apology for for even being considered for such charges. If they were doing the right thing, and they were trained in the rules of warfare, there would never be such an investigation in the first place, much less charges brought against them. Jack Murtha was right. Good Marines should be outraged at the actions of these few. Thank GOD for real men of honor like average Joe Marine, and for the man who represents them, Congressman Jack Mrtha.

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Originally posted by 6486143:

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Originally posted by leekujawa:
From reading the article, it sounds to me like Rep. Murtha was right. These few "so-called honorable" Marines, are a disgrace to their service and their uniform. They owe every Marine, living and dead, an apology for for even being considered for such charges. If they were doing the right thing, and they were trained in the rules of warfare, there would never be such an investigation in the first place, much less charges brought against them. Jack Murtha was right. Good Marines should be outraged at the actions of these few. Thank GOD for real men of honor like average Joe Marine, and for the man who represents them, Congressman Jack Mrtha.

translation: I don't support Vets who may have made a mistake under fire..

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Originally posted by TheTinker:

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Originally posted by 6486143:

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Originally posted by leekujawa:
From reading the article, it sounds to me like Rep. Murtha was right. These few "so-called honorable" Marines, are a disgrace to their service and their uniform. They owe every Marine, living and dead, an apology for for even being considered for such charges. If they were doing the right thing, and they were trained in the rules of warfare, there would never be such an investigation in the first place, much less charges brought against them. Jack Murtha was right. Good Marines should be outraged at the actions of these few. Thank GOD for real men of honor like average Joe Marine, and for the man who represents them, Congressman Jack Mrtha.

translation: I don't support Vets who may have made a mistake under fire..

Morning Snipe...Good Translation...

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Originally posted by leekujawa:
From reading the article, it sounds to me like Rep. Murtha was right. These few "so-called honorable" Marines, are a disgrace to their service and their uniform. They owe every Marine, living and dead, an apology for for even being considered for such charges. If they were doing the right thing, and they were trained in the rules of warfare, there would never be such an investigation in the first place, much less charges brought against them. Jack Murtha was right. Good Marines should be outraged at the actions of these few. Thank GOD for real men of honor like average Joe Marine, and for the man who represents them, Congressman Jack Mrtha.

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Originally posted by oldmole:

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Originally posted by awahilii:
This and last week I have heard the term(s); "three people", "someone", "they", etc., used extensively. I say, "No names...no 'three people',no 'someone', no 'they'. No names, no body(s).
Respects,
Sergeant Major

Sergeant Major, the person on whom the criminal charges were dropped was a Captain charged with dereliction for not investigation properly ... Mad Dog decided (in my opinion, properly) that administrative measures would be the appropriate remedy ... meaning, yeah, he's guilty of screwing up, and end his career, but don't throw his butt in the brig. That about your read too?

So this Captain wouldn't have been included in the group accused in the first place, except the "cover-up" portion, of Representative (not Senator, by the way) Murtha's statement.

You are right, there were no names ... which is why I don't think all Marines were slimed by it, although you apparently do. That is one of those issues where we have to agree to disagree.

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Originally posted by helez:
I have great respect for the Marine Coros military justice system. It is integral to the superior leadership one finds in the Corps.

General Mattis made a decission and it sounds like the best possible in one of those bad situations that can arise anywhere. It is quite unfair to criticize the General by ineuendo. I am sure he will root out the malignant behavior in our Marine Corps.

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Originally posted by leekujawa:
From reading the article, it sounds to me like Rep. Murtha was right. These few "so-called honorable" Marines, are a disgrace to their service and their uniform. They owe every Marine, living and dead, an apology for for even being considered for such charges. If they were doing the right thing, and they were trained in the rules of warfare, there would never be such an investigation in the first place, much less charges brought against them. Jack Murtha was right. Good Marines should be outraged at the actions of these few. Thank GOD for real men of honor like average Joe Marine, and for the man who represents them, Congressman Jack Mrtha.