This is being posted, partially as a school assignment, and partially for personal use.
I know that I'm probably "lecturing experts", but I still need answers to the following questions:

Question:
Do think that automatic weapons should be sold to private citizens?

Choices:
yes
no
yes, but limited

Question:
Do you think that shotguns should be registered?

Choices:
yes
no

Question:
If the right to bear arms was somehow nullified (supreme court decision, president-turned-dictator, etc.) would you, like me, go to war to get it back?

Choices:
yes
no
other solution (please specify)

 

We can be almost 100% sure that anyone who would revoke the 2nd Amendment did not have good intentions. Why? Because privately owned guns in this country are NOT the problem and the anti-gun crowd knows this...as a matter of fact, in a recent bit of legislation passed in the in CA tightening control on guns even more, the legislators openly stated that this was specifically aimed at restrictions against legally owned firearms and that they knew it would not stem the flow of illegal firearms or crimes committed with them. What does that say? They want more control and don't want law abiding citizens to be able to defend themselves.

Yes, if they were to revoke the 2nd Amendment, I would go to war because that would be a huge first step in the direction of destroying the democracy I know. We have the Constitutional right to do so.

Private citizens have always been able to own FA weapons. The 1934 Firearms Act did not make them illegal to own, only a taxable item. The tax set was $200, far above what the average citizen could cough up back in 1934. The transfer tax (fee) is still $200, but the cost of the weapons went through the roof in 1986 after the passing of the Firearm Owners Protection Act, which now forbade any further sales of NEWLY MANUFACTURED FA weapons for sale to the public. Whatever weapons were in the hands of citizens then, is all that is available now. You can still buy one, heck, a M16 in good shape will only set you back a little over $13,000..........plus the $200 tax.

There is little chance of the 2nd being repealed, as identical wording appears in the 1st, 4th, 9th, and 10th Amends ("the People"). So, despite great arguments and discussions on the subject, four other Amendments would have to be either abolished or amended themselves to remove the right of the people.

Registration of firearms has already been addressed many times. This is an abridgement of privacy. The 2nd allows you to own(keep) and use(bear) arms ("arms" covers any recognized weapon, not just guns). Wording in the 2nd insures NO infringement of ownership. Registration is indeed an infringement on not only your 2nd rights, but on your 4th Amend privacy rights(secure in his person, house, papers, and effects). No, it's not the same as registering your car. Driving is only a privledge that is paid for in taxes. There is NO right to a car or to drive.

Fight for your rights? You should be doing that every day, and with every vote. There are four boxes of freedom: Soap, Ballet, Jury...and Ammo.

I voted with the majority here, but I have my doubts. I figure nobody will disarm our generation, but our grandkids are going to have a tough time avoiding it. We've become a suburban society mostly, and the gun culture with all its traditions is a smaller part of most childhoods today than it was when I was growing up. Add that to the fact that the antigun types work a bit at a time, and I think we're going to wind up realizing one day that while the 2nd Ammendment still exists it's been overcome by local and state level legislation. By the time it gets ban enough for people to need to fight over it, we'll probably be in the dirt and our grandkids won't know how to shoot. Depressed yet?

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Originally posted by STARSnBARS:

There is little chance of the 2nd being repealed, as identical wording appears in the 1st, 4th, 9th, and 10th Amends ("the People"). So, despite great arguments and discussions on the subject, four other Amendments would have to be either abolished or amended themselves to remove the right of the people.

Interesting things you write, but sneaky liberals are always trying to find a way to turn the USA into the USSR with their law degrees and judicial appointments (2nd Ammendment is their biggest obsticle...)

How else do you exlain quotes like this?

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
-U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993


"Nobody should be owning a gun which does not have a sporting purpose."
-U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno


"Gun registration is not enough."
-U.S.Attorney General Janet Reno on "Good morning America," December 10, 1993


We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans."
-President Bill Clinton, March 1, 1993, during a press conference in Piscataway , NJ. USA TODAY, March 11, 1993


"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."
-President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993


"I feel very strongly about it [the Brady Bill]. I think — I also associate myself with the other remarks of the Attorney General. I think it's the beginning. It's not the end of the process by any means."
-President Bill Clinton, on the Brady Bill, August 11, 1993


"The House passage of our bill is a victory for this country! Common sense wins out. I'm just so thrilled and excited. The sale of guns must stop. Halfway measures are not enough."
-Sarah Brady, July 1, 1988


"They are looking only to protect gun owners' quote — and I stress that — rights, because I don't believe gun owners have rights. The Second Amendment has never been interpreted that way. Now I am not for taking guns away or denying guns to law-abiding citizens, but I don't think it's a constitutional right that they have, and every court case that's ever come down has shown that.
-Sarah Brady, October 1997

Don't forget Nancy Pelosi saying she'd have every Mr. and Mrs. in America turn in all their guns if she could.

I think it has a lot to do with ignorance and thus fear. I grew up in the country in the south, everyone had guns. They were like tools. Half the people drove pick-ups and most had a gun rack in the back window this one or two rifles in it.

I moved north to a suburb in near Detroit, no one has guns here. I've met so many people that, "don't believe in guns," like they're Unicorns or some damn thing.

People are so afraid of them. There are apartment complexes that simply don't allow any type of fire arms. People around here wouldn't mind if civilians did loose their right to arms.

So many people her HAVE NEVER SHOT A GUN. There are other things too, like not having any idea what a rifle is or that it's different from a shotgun; much less the difference between a submachine gun, assault rifle, etc. etc. If it's all black it's extra dangerous though....

This past Massacre at Virginia Tech, the local news had a special on the 9mm, about computer games that have it and how fast it shoots, and a bunch of other crap as if the angry 9mm is some type of super deadly weapon.

So I guess the only thing people around here know about guns in what they see on TV. So if police don't have them some angry husband is shooting his wife, a kid is accidentally shooting his friend, or a criminal is killing countless people. Hell, if that's all I knew about guns I probably wouldn't like them either.

I've heard all the arguments: Guns are more dangerous to the owner, only hunting weapons, you don't need for that a couple rounds unless you're killing people...

The thing is, our 2nd Amendment rights aren't to keep us armed against deer, they're to keep us armed against our government and invaders. Our right is to have people killers, which in our current day are machine guns. It may sound paranoid to make this argument today, but someday it won't. Having an armed society makes us unsusceptible to certain types of oppression.

Anyway, if you're sincere about stopping deaths from unneeded and dangerous tools, and want to slap people with further licensure, go after those damn SUVs. Everyone drives them around here like idiots, one person in each, fast and with the stereo up and a cell phone. They actually do kill people, a bunch each day.

Good point -- makes ya think...

John
Former USAF
www.realmilitaryflix.com

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Originally posted by Stg77:

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Originally posted by STARSnBARS:

There is little chance of the 2nd being repealed, as identical wording appears in the 1st, 4th, 9th, and 10th Amends ("the People"). So, despite great arguments and discussions on the subject, four other Amendments would have to be either abolished or amended themselves to remove the right of the people.

Interesting things you write, but sneaky liberals are always trying to find a way to turn the USA into the USSR with their law degrees and judicial appointments (2nd Ammendment is their biggest obsticle...)

How else do you exlain quotes like this?

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
-U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993


"Nobody should be owning a gun which does not have a sporting purpose."
-U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno


"Gun registration is not enough."
-U.S.Attorney General Janet Reno on "Good morning America," December 10, 1993


We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans."
-President Bill Clinton, March 1, 1993, during a press conference in Piscataway , NJ. USA TODAY, March 11, 1993


"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."
-President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993


"I feel very strongly about it [the Brady Bill]. I think — I also associate myself with the other remarks of the Attorney General. I think it's the beginning. It's not the end of the process by any means."
-President Bill Clinton, on the Brady Bill, August 11, 1993


"The House passage of our bill is a victory for this country! Common sense wins out. I'm just so thrilled and excited. The sale of guns must stop. Halfway measures are not enough."
-Sarah Brady, July 1, 1988


"They are looking only to protect gun owners' quote — and I stress that — rights, because I don't believe gun owners have rights. The Second Amendment has never been interpreted that way. Now I am not for taking guns away or denying guns to law-abiding citizens, but I don't think it's a constitutional right that they have, and every court case that's ever come down has shown that.
-Sarah Brady, October 1997

What is truly amazing is what the Brady Center for Handgun control has said in their latest report, "The states with the MOST gun control laws have the HIGHEST records of Violent Crime."
DUH!!!!!!! Haven't we been trying to tell these know it alls the same thing the last 15 years!!!!!

It drives me crazy that everybody and their brother seems to think that they know that since people kill people with guns, that the gun has to be at fault. I was recently reading a magazine(the new Barrett annual, a very good mag btw)that was talking about how this "great" government of ours is trying to ban guns. In one part of the article, it said that in our very own bill of rights, it says that the government may not infringe on our rights, even on a statewide level. Yet wouldn't you know they do it anyway . Obviously knowing that most politicians have never taken the time to handle, learn about, or shoot any weapon of any kind whatsoever, they think its just great to ban weapons for all of us law abiding citizens that want to make the most of our money and shoot something other than humans . In almost every case of weapons ban across the world, the crime rate has gone up. Criminals will get weapons some way or another, and even if they cant get guns, they can improvise. In Great Britain the primary weapon of choice is now a 16oz. claw hammer. The politicians don't look at the real stats either. If you put death rates from WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam,and the war on terror, and compare that to automobile fatalities from the same time, guess which one comes out on top. What are they going to do next, ban cars?!?!?!?!?!?! Even though I am as young as I am I would proudly fight to keep my right to bear arms. I'd better stop talking before I destroy this computer.
Thanks for reading,
Kenny

if they ban firearms theres still a great number of ways to kill and fight. like knives, garrot wire, crossbow's and repetitive strikes to the head. then they would have to ban other weapons, martial art's and the process will never end.

jokingly "they should blame people for being so easy to kill"

I was shocked to discover that voters of this poll would limit the sale of automatic weapons to civilians. Why would these voters want to limit them for?
My belief: Those who cannot be trusted with firearms, yes they will of course cause problems eventually. But when they do cause a problem we simply take action against them.

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Originally posted by 15475600:
I voted with the majority here, but I have my doubts. I figure nobody will disarm our generation, but our grandkids are going to have a tough time avoiding it. We've become a suburban society mostly, and the gun culture with all its traditions is a smaller part of most childhoods today than it was when I was growing up. Add that to the fact that the antigun types work a bit at a time, and I think we're going to wind up realizing one day that while the 2nd Ammendment still exists it's been overcome by local and state level legislation. By the time it gets ban enough for people to need to fight over it, we'll probably be in the dirt and our grandkids won't know how to shoot. Depressed yet?

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Mind conditioning. If someday our descendents are brought into the world where even BB guns are illegal, they will accept it.

Imagine all the young kids today who never grew up with firearms around them. There is no longer any form of firearm tradition in their mentality. Many of these kids I believe when they do come across a firearm, they probably stand in front of a mirror while holding it and begin acting like some kind of He-Man saying "You talking to me, I said are you talking to me, I'll cap you"

Right now in this country the Liberal Media and the rich are trying the damnest to elect the most radical antigun president in our history. The Democrats will do anything to get Barack Obama elected. If he does, that second civil war is a very large step closer to happening. How many ATF/FBI standoffs are going to happen because MANY Americans will NOT give up their weapons? It will happen just so many times and people will start seeing that they've been fooled and railroaded into the start of the end of our freedoms. Abraham Lincoln said if we cause our freedoms to erode, we will have no one to blame but ourselves.
Someone mentioned the other articles in the Bill of Rights, as starting "We the People". Well let me tell you when these individuals get power those words will mean NOTHING to them. Its time we should wake up and see its just not the Second Amendment that could go down, its any one after the second they will choose to destroy.
Adolf Hitler said, "The First Step in Enslaving a Free People is to take AWAY their right to Keep and Bear Arms." Sounds like the Liberal Democrats and the real Barack Obama!!!!

There have been efforst to stop the NRA from airing ads regarding a certain candidates antigun stance. Sounds like a violation of the First Amendement already.

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Originally posted by Dissociate:

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Originally posted by 15475600:
I voted with the majority here, but I have my doubts. I figure nobody will disarm our generation, but our grandkids are going to have a tough time avoiding it. We've become a suburban society mostly, and the gun culture with all its traditions is a smaller part of most childhoods today than it was when I was growing up. Add that to the fact that the antigun types work a bit at a time, and I think we're going to wind up realizing one day that while the 2nd Ammendment still exists it's been overcome by local and state level legislation. By the time it gets ban enough for people to need to fight over it, we'll probably be in the dirt and our grandkids won't know how to shoot. Depressed yet?

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Mind conditioning. If someday our descendents are brought into the world where even BB guns are illegal, they will accept it.

Imagine all the young kids today who never grew up with firearms around them. There is no longer any form of firearm tradition in their mentality. Many of these kids I believe when they do come across a firearm, they probably stand in front of a mirror while holding it and begin acting like some kind of He-Man saying "You talking to me, I said are you talking to me, I'll cap you"

The only reason your descendents will accept that any gun is illegal is if you personally do not pass the tradition down to them of respecting the power of a gun and its purpose and how to shoot one, you do your part and hope the next person will. I can tell you that I am 24 and i know those of us who have grown up in the true south were brought up with guns!! I think I was 6 or 7 the first time my dad taught me how to shoot a gun!! And one day when my children are old enough to understand a guns purpose and to respect its power, I will teach them how to shoot. It is sad that most younger kids today have not been brought up with guns and probably have no respect for them or how to use one if need be!!! I have met people who think if you own a gun that you must be planning on doing something bad, pretty sad, the kids today are so blind to how bad the world has gotten that they dont understand that most people today who own guns do so to protect their family or to hunt, etc...all because you buy a gun does not mean you are intending on killing someone!! I know that alot of people died for our freedom including the right to bear arms; so it is now our turn to fight to keep that right and not let all those who died for our freedom die in vain. I know that I will do my part and not vote for any person regardless of race or religion into office that will take the right of freedom including the right to bear arms away from us and that goes for all offices starting with your communtiy officials all the way up to the President of the United States of America!!! People need to wake up and realize what our fellow Americans are away fighting for!! You do your part here on the home front, while they are away doing their part wherever they may be.

Got on my soap box with this one!!! If i steped on your toes with this one, that was the point!!

Well done ma'am!! As far as I'm concerned keep it up and don't mind the toes. The truth is being buried and the only way you step on toes is when people decide not to listen to the truth.

Pay attention people, especially all you Liberal democrats who vote for Obama. "From my Cold DEAD Fingers. Mr. Obama!!!!!!"

I guess we all better prepare for World War III now that Obama is elected.

I think that when people say that they will go to war for their 2nd Amendment rights...they will go to war against those who took them away...I pray that that never happens in our country ever...they would never make an amendment to counter act the 2nd, but they could just try to get it so bogged down with politics and anti-gun support that it would be like slowly taking poison without noticing the effects until it is too late.