I was wondering what people think about Wolf ammunition. For those who don't know what it is, it is dirt cheap steel cased ammo made in Russia in .223, 7.62X39 and 9mm.

The .223 costs about 3.99 a box so I bought 4 boxes to be thrifty, but when I began shooting it at the range, the bolt of my Rem. 700 would get stuck and not be able to open. When I took it in, the smith said there was a bur in the chamber (it was a used gun), but now that thats fixed, Is it still safe to shoot the rest of that ammo in the gun. I've heard things about Wolf being bad for barrels and other parts so does anyone have anything to say about it.

It's junk.It's cheap,and you get what you pay for. I could not get any of it to cycle in my HK compact .45, nor my Colt 1911!

Other people who I have talked to who bought it for their SKS rifles did not get consistant accuracy.

Good reliable, fairly inexpensive ammo. Get the Remington ammo from Wal-Mart in the yellow box with black writing on it. "UMC"! The .223 ammo I buy .223 at Wal-Amrt for my M-4, and it is less than $4.50 a box afte tax. Remember.."Remington UMC". I buy their .45 ball in bulk and .223 by the box. Cannot go wrong.

Forget about that "Junk Wolf ammo". It will mess up your chamber and barrel.

NC1911 !!!

In the past Wolf ammo was pretty bad on quality, though a few years ago I heard it had gotten better and I bought some, didn't have a problem. Since then I have fired several thousand rounds of .45 ACP, .223 and 7.62X39 and have not had a problem.

Yes, UMC is excellent ammo as well. The .45 ACP ball is what I carry in my 1911. (I ain't to big on hollowpoints).

I was at the Tacoma Bulls eye gunrange and was useing wolf ammo and my HK USP .45 full sized jammed. It jammed so bad that I actually needed one of the gunsmiths to get it out. He just smacked the handle real hard with his hand while holding the slid and 2-3 hits later it finaly ejected. The HK USP 45 is one of the best handguns ever made and can handle all ammo...except wolf that is. Upon inspection of the steel caseing I could see a total failure of the caseing with a top to bottom split on it.
I avoid this ammo at all cost. Go to Wallmart and by American Eagle ammo. Its cheap and american made and reliable. Remember...you get what you pay for with Ammo. Dont risk your life to save a buck

I was donig part time with a Class 2/3 dealer and an UZI came in that kept jamming. It worked with everything but Wolf (laquer). I shot the newer polymer 9m/m out of a MP-40 without a hitch. We shot over 500 rds between us without 1 jam with the newer polymer Wolf.
Joe

I have has issues with American Eagle ammo....for .357 magnum. It seems to not be loaded the same for every round, some are weak and some are hot. I won't shoot it anymore.

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Originally posted by e5l:
I have has issues with American Eagle ammo....for .357 magnum. It seems to not be loaded the same for every round, some are weak and some are hot. I won't shoot it anymore.

It's been about two years but I had the same problem with .45 ACP ammo, and .38 SPL.

One box of .38 SPl would not group the same.

NC1911 !!!

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Originally posted by NiteCloak1911:

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Originally posted by e5l:
I have has issues with American Eagle ammo....for .357 magnum. It seems to not be loaded the same for every round, some are weak and some are hot. I won't shoot it anymore.

It's been about two years but I had the same problem with .45 ACP ammo, and .38 SPL.

One box of .38 SPl would not group the same.

NC1911 !!!

I was talking to a buddy of mine at work about this and he said he had similar problems with 9mm American Eagle.

I bought some boxes of their 7.5x55mm Swiss for my K31. Seems to work just fine. Also Boxer primed and reloadable. But then I think I've heard it was manufactured for Wolf somewhere in the former Yugoslavia. So they may be trying to improve their quality.

Maybe I am the exception to the rule. I have shot more than a dozen boxes on my Sig P220 without any problems. I use Wolf ONLY for the range.

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Originally posted by drfont:
Maybe I am the exception to the rule. I have shot more than a dozen boxes on my Sig P220 without any problems. I use Wolf ONLY for the range.

I shoot wolf .223 exclusively almost for target and just playing around. Also same for 7.62x39 and .45 ACP.

Though as I stated for serious business, I only use UMC.

I've used all 3 types of Wolf Ammo. shot over 500 rounds of .45 through my Glock 30 in a week with only 1 jam. Several hundred rounds of 7.62mm with my SKS as well withno big issues.

However, I have a AR-15 that jammed pretty bad using the wolf ammo. After finally getting it out (with a rod down the barrel) I went and shot again. Somehow the bolt was jammed in the upper receiver and I have yet to get it out. Looks like I'm going to have to take it to a smith and possibly replace it. Don't know if it was the ammo or the weapon though.

I shoot wolf exclusively for training on my time. It's cheap, and not particularly predictable, but it's certainly excellent for sneaking in a malfunction drill.
In cooler climates, I have little or no trouble with Wolf. However, in the heat, or a well heated weapon, the casings tend to expand in the chamber, leading to some monumentally frustrating jams. I've had two of those in my carbine, and none in my 1911.
The Wolf .45ACP drops something like 18" at 50 yards, and it's accuracy goes to hell.
However, for drills at 'combat' ranges, it's outstanding.

Used in it's proper place, Wolf is great.
You'll never catch me carrying it when there's throwdown in the air, but for training - it's a good option.

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Originally posted by 10919002:

The Wolf .45ACP drops something like 18" at 50 yards, and it's accuracy goes to hell.
However, for drills at 'combat' ranges, it's outstanding.

Used in it's proper place, Wolf is great.
You'll never catch me carrying it when there's throwdown in the air, but for training - it's a good option.

Training/ practice ammo should be aproxmately the same load you use to carry with. Since the ballistics are not the same...you are shooting two different loads, with two different ballistics.

Remington UMC ball - 230 grain - .45 Cal, and Speer "Gold Dots" have about the same ballistics
in my pistol. I want to know how much the bullet drops or rises at a specific distance. I shoot human sillouetts, and fabric softener bottles. Open, and partially concealed. Partially concealed targets are also a possibility..So I may need to pin point a round at a concealed target. No can do with Wolf ammo.

Anything between the muzzle and the 50 to 60 yard line is mine.

A Wilson Combat Professional model in .45 ACP. And a Glock model 31 in .357 SIG .


NC1911 !!!

In a perfect world NiteCloak, I'd agree. Unfortunately, it's cost prohibitive to train and carry with the same ammunition.

I try and put a few magazines of defensive ammunition downrange to see what the BDC is going to look like, and then continue shooting the stuff I can affordably shoot.

Most of the "drills" we run are 50 meters or less with a carbine, and 15 yards or less with a pistol, so distance accuracy is less important.

Also, I've got to be honest, if I'm shooting at a partially concealed target at 50 yards with a pistol, I'm going to tactically advance towards the rear - break contact and find a carbine.

Training isn't just about target practice. Fire and manuever, tactics, communication, situation planning, assault manuevers, door kicking and room clearing drills can all be done with cheap ammo...or none at all.

Target practice with your carry ammo so as to know exactly how it runs and where it impacts. All else is training to get to that point.

Wolf ammo and HK pistols don't mix, I have seen the problem myself, I think it has something to do with the way the chambers and extractors are constructed and the overall tight tolerance of the design.

However it is just fine for AK clones, and SKSs, and "most" automatic pistol designs and is just fine for plinking.

It has a very dirty/sooty powder, so you have to clean accordingly.

Wolf ammo is coated with shellac or lacquer, I don't know why but this is what causes firearms to jam after a buildup.

It's not worth it --- the best way to totally clean your weapon of this is to use Lacquer thinner --- caution be sure not to put it on plastic or composite parts --- it could damage them.

Some guns like it, some don't my Para Ordnance models would feed it fine, but my shots were consistently to the left of center (yes I was using a rest) My Kimbers a a little more snotty when it comes to ammo so I won't even try the Wolf in them.

I haven't tried the 5.56 yet but so far I love the 7.62x51 in my SOCOM II.

My 47 loads and throws them out no problem.. I have shot several dozen boxes of wolf out of it and not 1 jam ever.