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There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch Highly Experienced Member  |
That was exactly what I was trying to get across. Thanks for making it easier to understand than my post. And Charlie,
I never cleaned your guns or anyone elses on a regular basis. You carry it, you clean it. I was mostly on WHEC's and spent most of my time on SAR patrols, ALPATS, or Ocean Stations. When I was on a buoy tender in Nam I made the crew clean their own weapons after we would have to carry them while humping batteries to a lighthouse. Let me try to explain iot a different way. Let's say you are a BM 2, doing what you currently do. LE is a big, maybe total, part of that job. And now you get transferred to one of the Polar Rollers and spent the next few years as a BM on that ship. For those years you perform zero LE. Instead you do the job of a BM, maintaining the ship, etc. Are you primarily a BM, or do you still see yourself as primarily a LE person? LE is a duty performed by many ratings. With very few exceptions so far, it is NOT the person's title or job description, it is a description of ONE of the jobs they perform. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Ex_CG_GM, |
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Charlie, Let me put this another way. I don't know where you're stationed, but let's say your at a MSST down south with your facilities at a Sector. You bust your butt day in, day out on LE qualls, training, physical fitness, etc.. You're a lean, mean, LE machine. You ARE a federal law enforcement officer. No doubt about it. Now, you've got a buddy who works in the ET shop at Sector. Maybe he's on the bubble with his weight, not in very good shape. Maybe he's the custodian of the ET supply locker, and dayworks from 0800 to 1500 Mon-Fri, with a shop motto of, "You have to go to lunch, but you don't have to come back." You finally get back from a long, hard LE deployment where you made 5 busts, and you and your ET buddy go out to celebrate. Some fine, young lady from South Beach comes up to you and your chubby-buddy, bats her baby blues at you guys and asks, "Like, what do you guys, like, do? (giggle giggle) Before you answer, Chubby steps in between you and Barbi, and proclaims, "I'm a federal law enforcement officer!" What would your honest reaction be? He's not wrong, cause he's a Petty Officer in the US Coast Guard. Right? So again, the AGENCY is a full time law enforcement AGENCY. It doesn't mean the PEOPLE are. |
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CharlieG2380,
You're one of the few that get what I'm trying to say. Its a brotherhood. We have so many people video taping and second guessing us, and hate us because of the badge we wear. We don't need to be putting the screws to each other just to get ahead, or be afraid to extend our necks out for a brother in the law enforcement community. Thanks bro, you get it. |
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There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch Highly Experienced Member |
It is hardly "putting the screws to each other" by enforcing the law. It is consistent application of the law, rather than selective application of the law. |
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"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" - Gordon Lightfoot Highly Experienced Member  |
I hope you agree that there is a limit to all this courtesy. We had a rookie Florida Highway Patrol Trooper who would speed all over on his motorcycle while off duty. He made a FMP Officer chase him for miles until he pulled into his driveway. The FHP LT. said to the Sheriff's Deputies...."If he does it again, write him or arrest him if you have to." There are those that take advantage of expected courtesy. If you all can weed them out, everything will hopefully go smooth. Just hope giving them a break doesn't come back to haunt you. Yes, I understand the PFD missing or expired flares breaks, obviously I mean something more serious. You all stay safe out there, Don |
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Duckcop,
Keep telling yourself that you get it and maybe someday you really will. I find that when people feel they need they have to post their resume' and spout off the number of years on the job, they're not to sure of themselves., bla, bla bla.. |
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10-4, Captain. Thank you for setting me straight. All along I thought I was doing a good job, but now, with your help, I see the error of my ways.  Out. This message has been edited. Last edited by: duckcop, |
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"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" - Gordon Lightfoot Highly Experienced Member |
And then there's Internal Affairs.  Don  |
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I am a full time Police Officer and a reserve coasties. On boardings unless its something henious, I always extend Pro Courtesy. So it is alive and well with alot of folks despite some people on here saying it isnt.
We are not robo cops and a little common sense should be in order when enforcing the law. |
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I am also a police officer and reserve coastie. Professional courtesy is one thing , but there is a line that has to be drawn. There was some "professional courtesy done at a nearby agency where I work and 1 Sgt. went to prison , the chief was indicted and numerous others are in trouble and may lose their jobs or be demoted. All for one person trying to "take care" of another officer.
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XSwimmer - I get it; I got it on your first post. I am a retired Coast Guard CWO4 and for almost 6 years have been a Uniformed Federal Law Enforcement Officer. When I get pulled over by a police officer, sheriff's deputy, or state trooper - you don't know who I am. I carry concealed off-duty, always. I await your orders; but I owe you the professional courtesy to let you know I am off-duty and am carrying a gun. I will never, ever ask you for a break; nor do I expect one. If I am drunk I would hope that you do the professional thing; arrest me, and let me be held accountable for my actions. If you don't want to give me a speeding ticket that's your call. In my job, as a Customs Officer at the border, it isn't necessary to show me your badge; it isn't needed; 95% of the people I deal with are usually on their way within 60 seconds. If someone shows me a badge from the beginning I start to wonder why. The Boarding Officer started out doing his job; in my day (and I did a few boardings) I would never say to the boater that your violations would cost you a $500 bill; I never knew what the adjudicator would do - heck once I got back to the cutter and told the Maritime Law Enforcement Officer that so and so was a cop then their boarding form just may have turned into a courtesy boarding. Do me a favor though XSwimmer - don't come here on the Coast Guard Law Enforcement Forum and complain about one of you buddies asking for professional courtesy, not getting it, and then questioning how our Boarding Officers are being trained. Sounds to me that they have been trained pretty darn good by being professional. If you give everyone a break for speeding that's fine; but since motor vehicle accidents are one of the leading non-combatant (or military training exercise) causes of death in the military maybe giving one a speeding ticket may be the wakeup call they need before they kill themselves behind the wheel of the car or on a crotch rocket. rant off |
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Hey Nobodyaskedmebut,
SUCK IT!! |
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It is because of officers like xswimmer, who feel (and act) like they are above the law, that I have a deep-seated dislike for police officers.
His juvenile profanity is just icing on the cake. Just imagine...somewhere today this little man is carrying a gun! Scary indeed.... |
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Are you going to pull those pistols or whistle Dixie? ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Proud member Derelict Veteran's Group ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Highly Experienced Member  |
That just earned you a 10-day time out. |
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I have no dog in this fight, but an an officer in another branch, I feel compelled to say that if this person is truly a commissioned officer, they need to go back to their cubicle and look up the word "professionalism." |
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"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" - Gordon Lightfoot Highly Experienced Member |
Finn, he is not and was not a commissioned officer. It's a retired E-6 saying it to a retired W-4. Each are now in a L/E job with other agencies at this time. While I partially agreed with Xswimmer in the beginning of the thread, looking out for each other as LEO's regardless of which agency, it is my opinion he is setting himself up for trouble if he truley feels the need to help any LEO up to the risk of a firing. It is the corrupt LEO's that look for this type of support. I realize this is quite a leap from a warning for a PFD over a ticket but maybe some will see the point I'm trying to make. While I was a BM3/Cox's at Station Islamorada back in the mid 80's, everyone had a pretty clear understanding that I was about playing by the rules. In the first year I was with Customs, I remember an agent I knew that left Key Largo to go to Internal Affairs in Miami. He came up to me and said, "I thought you might like to hear this...we were questioning some of your old crew (the 12 Coasties who were arrested for smuggling coke at that station in 1987). Your name came up and we asked if you were involved. A few of them told us that when they decided to keep the cocaine (recovered from the water after a boat chase), one of the boats from the station was coming up on them. They thought it was you and they were going to call it off, but it wasn't you, it was another Cox'n." Again, I am not suggesting for a second that xswimmer would cover for anything that severe. I'm only saying that if you are going to go around saying that you'd cover for a brother officer, they just might try to take you up on it. My partner for many years in Key Largo was under investigation for something stupid he did. I was questioned about it and thought it was a witch hunt caused by the clicks in the office. After being warned not to say anything, I went straight to him and let my partner know they were after him. I got a written reprimand for it...so be it. I wasn't leaving him out to dry when he had my back so many times. |
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Finnegan - I don't know if your comment is pointed at me or not, I assume you mean the poster xswimmer. If its pointed at me, please explain your post. I spent 30 years on active duty, retiring as a CWO4 and am now a Federal Law Enforcement Officer. "Professional Courtesy" is something that falls under the heading of discretion and judgement. If you give it, you darn well better make sure it isn't going to bite you, as others have said. As I said, if I'm driving drunk I deserve to be arrested, not given a free ride. The 60s and 70s are over - I watched my father get about 4-5 "free rides" and he never got sober; a damn shame; it helped to kill him way too early. |
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