I heard not to long ago that PQS BO's (non-HL) are not authorized to do BUI Enforcement. Can anyone provide the message if one even came out?
I couldn't find it on the internet. Just wondering cause some the PQS BO's here have done many BUI cases and are now worried about those getting thrown out. However, we usually pass them over to the local PD or county deputies. Which provides them the PC to arrest for BUI anyways.

Never realized there was an issue. Thought any BO could do whatever any other BO could do except for sign offs on quals and recerts.

Soon all PQS BO's will be a thing of the past. In other words, if you're not HL qual and want or have to be a BO you have to go to BO school. I believe the date is set somewhere in 2011.

BWI Enforcement is covered by Task 3-04 of the PQS.

See CG-531 msg DTG 121330Z JUN 08 to get your answer.

All effective CG-wide MLE messages are located on CG-531's intranet (ie: cgweb) site.

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Originally posted by Aflapr:
BWI Enforcement is covered by Task 3-04 of the PQS.

See CG-531 msg DTG 121330Z JUN 08 to get your answer.

All effective CG-wide MLE messages are located on CG-531's intranet (ie: cgweb) site.

Aflapr,
thanks for the info, is the answer something that cannot be posted on the internet? I'm on leave so i wont see it till next week!

The message was not internet releaseable, so I did not want to cut and paste.

That said - remember, ALL BO's are achieve qualification through the completion of PQS. Some people achieve their qual solely through the completion of PQS (for now) and many BO's have also completed resident training at the MLEA/MLES. Some qualification codes have a resident training piece attached to them.

Take a look around the CG-531 site. Lots of good, current information is posted there. (Pass the word - it's a hidden gem.)

You can find a link from the MLEA intranet site (a plug for my previous command) and there is a "screen shot" of the web page included in the "International Law and C2" slideshow located in the training materials on the MLEA intranet site.

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Soon all PQS BO's will be a thing of the past. In other words, if you're not HL qual and want or have to be a BO you have to go to BO school. I believe the date is set somewhere in 2011.

I wouldn't bet your pay check on that. Given the amount of BO School availabilities, the PQS system will be around for quite some time.

I'm not so sure of that one K9, the HL qual code is being pulled from everyone who isn't a FLETC graduate, even those who currently hold one from Yorktown, and with the stand up of the ME's it wouldn't supprise me to find the unit level BO (PQS) qualification becoming a thing of the past.

And I think it should.
The standardization provided by formal school should help our standing with other LE agencies. We are the only LE agency I know of that authorizes OJT as the sole method for the training of their Officers. As I see it removing this option is a nessicary first step toward other LE related issues facing the CG today. For instance: the possible issuance of credintals/badges, formal inclusion under the LEOSA, even the possible issue of service weapons for 'off duty' carry.

I know that the PQS is considered "standard" and that it coveres the same training as FLETC, but it varies greatly in it's application throughout he CG. I have one member at my unit now who arrived as a PQS BTM, and conducted LE at his previous unit, and the guy is nowhere near qualified, he can't shoot, doesn't know the UoF, can't tell you the approved strike zones for anything........That being said, I think that the unit BTM qualification will stay, as they operate only under the supervision/authority of a BO.

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Originally posted by USCGK9:

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Soon all PQS BO's will be a thing of the past. In other words, if you're not HL qual and want or have to be a BO you have to go to BO school. I believe the date is set somewhere in 2011.

I wouldn't bet your pay check on that. Given the amount of BO School availabilities, the PQS system will be around for quite some time.

Actually my unit has been sending members to BO School like there's no tomorrow. We have only 3 or 4 PQS BO's and at least 15 HL guys.

CG_GunnersM8: "...the HL qual code is being pulled from everyone who isn't a FLETC graduate, even those who currently hold one from Yorktown..."
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Do you have a reference for this?

It came out in a message a little while ago, if I remember correctly the cut-off is next year. Let me look around a little and see if I can find the message.

I think there may be some terminology confusion at play here. The "HL qual code" is a competency code given to personnel who are authorized to sign BO/BTM PQS. Because there was a resident training piece (MLES at Yorktown or MLEA at FLETC CHS) attached to the OPSHL qual code, there has always been some confusion about what this qual code means.

In short, the OPSBO qual code is for any BO (PQS only or resident training + PQS), the OPSHL is for BO's who are also eligible to sign off PQS.

Just because you have graduated from MLES/MLEA, does not mean you are able to sign off PQS. The OPSHL instructor designation is an additional designation beyond your BO certification.

Over the years, more things became attached to resident training requirements. (Judgmental, BO Certified Ashore, etc). But again - these designations are separate from the OPSHL qual code.

(IE: You can be a MLEA grad, BO who is designated as a BO Certified Ashore. But unless your CO/OIC has designated you as a PQS instructor, you should not hold the OPSHL qual code. You would be an OPSBO who is also designated as a BO Certified Ashore.)

I think the issue your confusing with the OPSHL qual code is the certification requirements for BO Certified Ashore. ALCOASTs 341/09 and 635/08 discuss these. There is a resident training piece associated with these messages and a 2010 cut-off does exist inside. (But you'll notice - neither message talks about the OPSHL qual code since this is not a PQS sign-off issue.)

To find a list of effective CG-wide MLE messages, from your CG computer:
- Get online
- Click on the "US Coast Guard" box in the left side of your toolbar
- Click on "Coast Guard Headquarters"
- On the left, click on "Links By Organization"
- Click on "CG-5"
- Click on "CG-531 - Office of Law Enforcement"
- Click on "Enforcement and Policy Standards (CG-5312)"
- Click on "Miscellaneous Messages and Documents"
- Click on "Effective Law Enforcement Messages"

While you're on the site, dig around. There's a ton of useful info. I also recommend checking out the "Legal Advisor (CG-531L) site while your there.

Aflapr,
Thanks for your directions on the msg. I found it very easily. Also thanks for the clarification on the 2010 cut-off.