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Originally posted by USCGRiverRat:
I hope it happens soon. This would open many doors for transitions on to other LE jobs, primary in our sister agencies within DHS. Also we would get the respect and validation as a true LE agency and not as collateral duty as it is today, where your rating is first.

I think that any Coast Guardsmen who have gone on to other Federal L/E jobs knows the Coast Guard deserves respect and validation as a true L/E agency.

Some of the problems I encountered though while working for Customs was if we had intel of a boat load coming in, we'd sometimes call the stations in our AOR and they'd be tied up with preparing for an inspection. Most of the time, they were very supportive though.

Other times, we were told not to pass info on to the stations because of fear of a young seaman or petty officer possibly talking about it while out at a bar.

There were countless nights when I needed to get underway for patrol on my Customs boat but needed a crew. The men and women at Station Marathon and Isalmorada were almost always willing to go even if they were not on duty. We even occasionally got crews from Group Key West.

As an ex-Coastie, I hated the times when I was told not to share information knowing that the stations had crews on a patrol and should have an idea of what might be happening. This happened with the state and local agencies as well. A few times, I had to plead for forgiveness from my friends with the Florida Marine Patrol or Monroe County Sheriff's Office that it was not my decision to keep info from them but that I had to follow orders. This happended often when we got info from DEA or the FBI. If I were ever to spread the word, I would have been in deep trouble. Usually it was all about protecting a source of information....keeping it as a "Need to Know", not an overall disrepect for the Coast Guard. There were many things the agents were involved with that we, the Marine Enforcement Officers didn't know about, nor needed to.

Don

So has anyone heard anything new about the creation of the possible LE rating, what's up with the ALEC program.

T.O.- Tactical Officers

BZ 2
please explain.

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Originally posted by BZ_2:
T.O.- Tactical Officers

HELLO ALL, I THOUGHT ID MIGHT SHARE A BIT OF INFORNMATION THAT WAS PASSED TO MY STATION IN QUARTERS BY MY MKC WHO WAS TAD DOWN SOUTH.IM SORRY IT MAY SOUND A LITTLE SHADY BUT IT WAS A EARLY MONDAY MORNING! LOL. HE MET WITH SOMEONE WITHIN THE COMMAND OF TACLET WHO SAT IN A CONFERENCE DISCUSSING THE APPROVAL OF A "LE" RATE. ACCORDING TO WHAT MY CHEIF WAS TOLD, IT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND THE NEW LE RATE WILL BE CALLED "ES" (ENFORCEMENT SPECIALIST). THIS RATING IS SET TO BE ESTABLISHED WITHIN 2 YEARS. WHOOOO HOOOO!

Gotta luv scuttlebutt!

LOL

If this "rumor" is true, then I applaud the USCG for moving forward in this area.

So many times while on patrol, I was frustrated that I had boarding officers who were not into L/E. I had nothing against them as I realize many join the Coast Guard to do SAR or ATON, etc.

You know the 'ol saying..."You can lead a horse to water..." It's pretty hard to rely on someone to do a thurough search when their heart isn't into it.

Don

I hope we go to an LE rating, I think there enough jobs out there to be filled by LE types.

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Originally posted by HRLMCOASTIE:
HELLO ALL, I THOUGHT ID MIGHT SHARE A BIT OF INFORNMATION THAT WAS PASSED TO MY STATION IN QUARTERS BY MY MKC WHO WAS TAD DOWN SOUTH.IM SORRY IT MAY SOUND A LITTLE SHADY BUT IT WAS A EARLY MONDAY MORNING! LOL. HE MET WITH SOMEONE WITHIN THE COMMAND OF TACLET WHO SAT IN A CONFERENCE DISCUSSING THE APPROVAL OF A "LE" RATE. ACCORDING TO WHAT MY CHEIF WAS TOLD, IT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND THE NEW LE RATE WILL BE CALLED "ES" (ENFORCEMENT SPECIALIST). THIS RATING IS SET TO BE ESTABLISHED WITHIN 2 YEARS. WHOOOO HOOOO!

You got bad gouge there shipmate. It has not been approved. (hmm, just got interupted in my typing with a phone from the number 1 point man on this asking my some question about it). The study of if it is needed, if it can be implemented, if it is the best answer to whatever the problem statement is and if it is workable is ongoing. At some point way down the road, they may come up with a name. There was some spit balling in a recent meeting but that was it.

So how many of your have the ALEC qual code.

Got mine!! And I've been to some really awesome schools and my pay went up... no wait, nope it didn't! And I'm still waiting for orders for the really cool schools they were talking about...

How about we at least update the BO/BTM PQS!! Or, re-publish the SAB. Or, update the JPC video!

got mine, I was also in a job for the last 4 years that would be billeted for an ALEC, but all that ends Monday when I repor to my new unit....

Scooter,
good luck at your new unit, maybe we will be lucky and see the LE rating, if it happens.

BMC ed

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Originally posted by scootdem:
got mine, I was also in a job for the last 4 years that would be billeted for an ALEC, but all that ends Monday when I repor to my new unit....

I would love to see an LE rating introduced....I believe it would be very beneficial to members in the long run.... case in point I know several poeple that went MK b/c of the big LE involvement it offered them...you can guess what happened to a few of them next, after a tour at a LEDET/TACLET, MSST etc.. they had to take a rated tour and didn't really know up from down nor did they have any real interest in learning it. I have heard quite a few poeple tell me "I didn't join to turn wrenches, paint, drive boats...etc" well I am a BO and I didn't join to be a law dog, but if I make a mistake it is my a$$ and no one else's, it is a VERY intense collateral duty to carry. The LE world is very dynamic and should be made into a primary job.

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How about we at least update the BO/BTM PQS!! Or, re-publish the SAB. Or, update the JPC video!

You will find somewhat of a replacement for the SAB on MLEA intranet website for the physical and dynamic items. The update for the PQS is running up the chain. The JPC, don't hold your breath. Just make sure that your doing it once per year vice semi-ann.

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I have heard quite a few poeple tell me "I didn't join to turn wrenches, paint, drive boats...etc"

Sounds like a self inflicted wound to me. I'm sure the recruiter didn't tell them they WOULDN'T be performing the normal jobs of BMs and MKs.

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Originally posted by yellowhammermk:
case in point I know several poeple that went MK b/c of the big LE involvement it offered them...you can guess what happened to a few of them next, after a tour at a LEDET/TACLET, MSST etc.. they had to take a rated tour and didn't really know up from down nor did they have any real interest in learning it. I have heard quite a few poeple tell me "I didn't join to turn wrenches, paint, drive boats...etc" well I am a BO and I didn't join to be a law dog, but if I make a mistake it is my a$$ and no one else's, it is a VERY intense collateral duty to carry. The LE world is very dynamic and should be made into a primary job.

If you go MK or BM you obviously know what you are going into. They don't teach LE at MKA school and there are no LE practical factors in the MK or BM books. For some one to go BM or MK and say "I didn't join to turn wrenches, paint, drive boats...etc" is simply insane. I did two tours at TACLET and promoted to Chief and was on the Warrant list and missed MKCS by only 2 people before I decided to retire. So the age old argument that you can't advance in your rate if you are in LE is unfounded. I knew many other Chiefs at TACLET who advanced to Warrant or Senior Chief even while serving at TACLET and we had a lot of members advance in their perspective rates there as well. There a lot of jobs you will do in the CG and if you make a major mistake at them you can and may suffer the consequences. Incidentally as you advance your collateral duties get very intense. Try being a Command Chief and then see how intense you think that collateral duty is. Basic point is advancing in the LE or ALEC program is not only achievable it is easily achieved. Believe me if I can do it anyone can.

So here's a question, If there was an LE rating who of you would switch to it as soon as it happened, I would.

BMC ed

So would I. I have been waiting for this my whole CG career. Its long overdue, I understand the advancing issues some have and some don’t as stated by Cajun MK, but not all of us are great test takers in our perspective rates. If LE was a rate you would find those that are LE minded would advance just as quick in the LE rate. I have 8 years in deployable MLE with CG IMLET and ITD and I am now in Marine Safety Investigations field since I am really an LE type vs. a Snipe. Going MK did open a lot of doors for me to go LE but it wouldnt have been be my first choice if LE rate was available to me from the start. I rather be in the LE rate and have engineering as my collateral and not the other way around.

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