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Military.com Forums Coast Guard Discussions Maritime Law Enforcement Can a command make you get OC Sprayed?|
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Basic Training |
Shoot i would do it again for a 100 dollars
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Basic Training |
You know, I wonder when they will start ordering you/us to be shot with a firearm before we/you are allowed to carry one in the perfomance of your/our duties? Always seemed sort of ironic... We have to know what OC/CN/CS feels like to carry and use it, but so far as I am aware you don't have to be shot to carry a gun, yet... Another funny irony... We have to be "certified" in the use of the TASER before we can carry/use it. This "certification" training included being shot with the damn thing. Beats being OCed, but pretty much sucks anyway... |
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Basic Training |
SOLUTION: All bad guys will be good for now on. |
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Basic Training |
I just got OC'd yesterday.... goddamn that hurt... i got it on video too! good times!
As for how it felt... lets just say make sure not to breathe until they are finished spraying.... i've never heard myself be that energized like that in my life. I guess the only reason i would be that loud and downright irate sounding would be if i walked in on my gf in bed with someone else... haha. a helpful hint about the shower thing: once that stuff dries it crystalizes, so take a dry towel and try to scrub some of it off b4 you go in the shower. Also, put soap on your hands and scrub your face before you get in the shower, and then bend over such that the dripping water doesn't effect "other parts." btw, my BM2 puts OC on his pizza while on the 25'. I am at a small boat station and it is required to get sprayed, hands down, so i asked to get it done ASAP so i wouldn't have to deal with it in the back of my mind. Its over with now, and i am going to make 8 million copies of that letter. Good luck -BM3 This message has been edited. Last edited by: jmuscatelli, |
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Goggles? |
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BM3 Muscatelli, You might want to let your BM2 know that OC spray is only effective if it's under pressure in the canister. Pulling stupid stunts like that is a surefire way to make sure that a boarding team is unable to deploy OC when they need it in a hurry. It might not work right because the canister might only be half full, might not have a straight stream, less effective range, etc. |
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...but then again allowing that stuff to crust over the nozzle also hinders effective deployment. And overthinking anything leads to long discussion boards on Military.com.
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There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch |
Good point. Five pages ago this discussion was launched with the question "Can a command make you get OC Sprayed?" The answer was "Yes". So why is this discussion continuing? It doesn't matter whether you believe getting sprayed helps in any way or not. Only thing that matters is that the CG can/does require it. Now, put your face REAL close to the nozzle.....  |
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"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" - Gordon Lightfoot |
I never will understand how this concept is so difficult for many to understand, yet we will see the same question asked over and over. If you could be shot for training, then fully recover with a shower and fresh air, who knows, maybe you will have to get shot to carry. Many people are not confident in using their OC or Taser. They tend to go straight to the top of the Use of Force Paramid. Getting sprayed is required so the officer will be more confident with it. I agree with previous posts, Simunition is about the best training for high risk boardings that I have ever used. Take a round of that and it will be forever locked in your memory what you might have done wrong, kind of like a kid touching a stove...just once! Man, that stuff stings! Don |
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Basic Training |
I was told by a pacarea training team LE instructor that about 60% of officers exposed to OC in training were able to retain their weapon in an actual situation. The officers not exposed didn't fair nealy as well.
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CG Forums Moderator Mom never liked you, you son of a...  |
Ladies and Gentlemen - the next level of less-than-lethal force option:
Taser XREP 300 FPS, range out to 100 feet, full 20-second burst. Three ways to zap you: from the initial electrode hit, if you grab the wires in between, and if you try to pull on the base (extremely sharp barbs/electrodes). I linked the short promotional video; there's a longer 5-minute video on the same website that goes more in depth into the details. I showed it around. One of my partners said he thinks he'd rather be shot with 00 buck than the XREP. |
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yeah..riiiiiiiight don't be a wooossee |
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I’ve been hit with an ICE shield and with a TAZER to be authorized to use them. They both SUCK. I am about to go through the BAND IT training and from the videos I have seen that is really going to SUCK!! Lastly I have seen fin stabilized rounds, sting ball rounds, sting ball grenades and 37MM rounds in action. They are very impressive and they leave an even more impressive welt. This thing seems like it gives you the best of all worlds. I can't imagine the psychological effect it would have for Offenders to know this was targeting them. Just hope if my Department ever adopts it we don’t have to hit with it to use it.  |
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Just because you are given an order, does not mean you have to do it. Orders that are given are only valid if they are legal orders. If your CO tells you to do something and you don't believe it to be a lawful order, you have legal grounds to refuse. Obviously, you need to be certain that it is not legal, otherwise you have problems coming your way. I think the question posed is to determine if there is a legal basis to refuse such an order. I was once given an order to don a painters safety harness, scuba mask, snorkel and grab a boat hook, to be lowered over the side of a cutter while underway, to look out for the "mail buoy"....at the time, I believed I had to obey "every order given"....Again, not all orders are lawful or legitimate. |
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Sounds like it was a good order to me! Love that mail buoy!   GUNS   |
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Beaver Dam Architect |
I never got "peppered" at MLE, but did have to get the Curb60 Treatment.
One of the reasons given at the time was that, as a Law Enforcement Officer you had to likely be able to stand up in a court of law and tell some defense lawyer, judge, and jury that you have personally experienced the effects of the substance. This would, of course, be the result of having had to apply the "substance" to a person in the course of you "official duties" if that person or his lawyer tried to say the use of the substance was "excessive" or "cruel /unusual". Not sure if this rationale still exists, but it does make some sense - as do all those who say "Get it Done". |
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CG Forums Moderator Semi-Anonymous  |
Glad that rationale was never applied to carrying a pistol.
"Yes, Your Honor, I shot him, but only because in my training, I had been shot to show me how effective the implement was."  |
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Though there is some benefit to being able to say in court that you have experienced the OC, I think that it is much more important that we teach people that they #1 should fear OC and avoid exposure as much as possible, but also so they know it won't kill them. They learn what to expect and how hard it is going to be for them to concentrate. I think the survival aspect is most important, and anyone who has ever read On Killing or On Combat by Dave Grossman can understand that OC exposure can be considered a form of stress inoculation for the LE field.
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"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" - Gordon Lightfoot |
In talking with my son the other day, he was preparing for his annual trip to the gas chamber with the Marine Corps. I didn't realize they do it annually.
Sounds like people in the CG can suck it up a little when it comes to pepper spray. We all survived it when we went through....several times. Don |
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Military.com Forums Coast Guard Discussions Maritime Law Enforcement Can a command make you get OC Sprayed?
