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what is the lowest level that body armor can be? i looked through the MLEM and i could not find any information. for some reason i keep thinking that level IIA and above is right.
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"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" - Gordon Lightfoot |
Bubble wrap?
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I thought it was a tee shirt and boxers.
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CG Forums Moderator Mom never liked you, you son of a...  |
Why worry about it? It's unit issued PPE...
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Basic Training |
read section H
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Maybe he was tasked with researching and buying new armor like a GM2 that I knew back at the armory?
I personally would not get anything below IIIA unless it's just for decoration.
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And it should at least stop what you carry.
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There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch |
Even better if it will stop what the other guy carries...... |
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True, but unfortunately now that means Level III/IV rifle plates. To quote one of the agents on "DEA", "This is the new pistol in America" said while holding an AK47. |
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There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch |
Why "unfortunately "? Curious.....do you say that due to cost, weight, what? |
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Unfortunately as in the threat has progressively increased from low caliber handguns to high caliber rifles. If LODD and GSW reports in major cities are any indication, more and more of the 3% are arming up with "choppers". The latest LODD in Philly was the result of an SKS.
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some of mine is getting close to the 5 year replacement time ans i need to buy more. thanks for all the help.
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I am curently using a DBT predator w/ lightweight operator plates and it's heavy. It's a good vest but once you add M4 mags, pistol mags, first aid kit, and strobe it weighs you down. There is another option which I wore on my last contract. I wore just the soft-armor and then had a chicken plate carrier w/ the plates. That way I could take it off and put it on as the situation dictated.
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CG Forums Moderator Mom never liked you, you son of a... |
I just weighed in this month minus the normal gear, 14 lbs. under my MAW. When I put on the normal everyday gear, three lbs. over my MAW.
At my civilian job, 23 lbs. over my weight, in body armor and LE gear. |
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We had some old Body Armor at TACLET Gulf that we took to the range just to see what it would withstand. It with stood everything we shot at it multiple times until we started firing .223 rounds at them. The rounds went through the trauma plate, the front vest, the railroad tie the armor was draped over, through the back of the armor and into the backstop. Moral of the story is if its slow and fired from a pistol or shotgun it probably won’t go through what we had but if its fast and fired through a rifle our Armor was only going to slow it down a very little bit. Nothing beats Cover!
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Cajun,
As you may know the trauma plates are only designed to reduce the traumatic impact of the round. That is why strike plates are so heavy and expensive. Another thing that is overlooked is the muzzle velocity of said round. Just because it will stop a 115 gr. +P from a Glock does not mean it will stop the same fired from an MP5. I remember one of my older vests actually showing what type of round, the muzzle velocity and other info being stamped on the data sheet on the inside.
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We never thought the Armor we had would stop a .223 round but I did (at the time) think it would not go through everything (including a 1.5' railroad tie) and into the backstop. Deep into the backstop. It was a serious wakeup call. The Armor we had when I got out was considerable better especially what we wore in Iraq. Then again projectile technology has improved as well.
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CG Forums Moderator Mom never liked you, you son of a... |
At a firing range a number of years ago, an eight-inch steel had fallen off its rack, so a shipmate decided to find out what a .223 would do to it. The plate was 3/8th inch steel.
He propped it up against the RR timbers on the range and fired twice. The plate never moved. We chuckled and gave him a good ribbing as we walked downrange to look. To our surprise, both of his rounds were side-by-side and straight through the steel plate. It's amazing what a pointy 55-grain .223 caliber bullet traveling at 3000 FPS will do. |
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amazing! typical CG stuff here. no one answered the guy's question...just a bunch of shop talk "back when I was a superhero...". all you could manage was; "oh, check this reference". no wonder the junior guys in the CG have to work so hard...no one available as a good mentor anymore with real answers to help.
gunmunkey, you were right all along. but as always, if you can afford it go with higher protection. |
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