If a BTM/BO fails a PFT, do they have to redo the entire thing or can they just pass the section they failed? Can they take it less than 24hrs later? They passed the run, pushups, but missed the situps by 2. They claimed right after the run they felt a bit sick and we jumped right into the next part. I cant find it in the MLEM. Thanks.

BM3

I would say that it falls to the judgment of the BO giving the PFT, or to that of the command. In the future you could remedy the problem by doing the run last as well. That would take away any possible excuses.

Yes, you can re-take only the portion of the test that was failed, and yes they can do it 24 hrs later.

How often does the member workout? Judging that they failed a portion of the PFT and felt sick after a 1.5 mile run they may not workout often, which the PFT would make that person sore the next day and in turn fail again. Therefore, I recommend waiting several days before a re-test that way there is no excuses. Devilcoastie is correct you can re-test only the portion failed.

If you miss the PFT by one push-up, or one Sit-up, or even one second you're considered in poor physical condition by The Cooper Institute. They also conducted a study that rated the average law enforcement officer in the 48th percentile of society when it comes to physical fitness.

LOL... That is great

What manual says you can retake the portion of a pt test. They are in the process of discharging me after 18.7 years for not passing my run.

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They are in the process of discharging me after 18.7 years for not passing my run.

OK, I got to wave a BS flag on that. If that is the actual reason for a pending discharge, then the discharge won't happen. Are you realy being truthful about the underlying reason for the discharge?

"Damn-it Private Pyle I bet if there was a Jelly Doughnut at the end your a$Z would be there"

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What manual says you can retake the portion of a pt test. They are in the process of discharging me after 18.7 years for not passing my run.

Hmmm. Is it just me, or does anyone else think we're not getting the whole story?

This is pathetic. The PFT should be mandatory for all and there are BTM/BOs who need to make up the sit up portion? Put down the jelly donuts, get off your arse and work out regularly if that's what it takes to pass all three portions. Then again, the maternity ODU is on the way so we can hide the fat.

to the best of my knowledge not being able to pass the PFt is not grounds for discharge. You may not be able to be in certain/most billets (any that require you to be a BO/BTM/Boatcrew or Coxswain)but discharge I don't think so. Especially someone that has been in almost 20 years.

Just curious though... If you are in a billet that requires you to have your BTM or BO qual, and you can't pass the PT test, you then lose that qual. If you don't have that qual, the CG may see it as you are unable to do your job. Could that be enough to discharge? For instance, if an IS was in a job that requires top secret clearance and they lose it for some reason, can't they be discharged? I'm just wondering.

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Originally posted by LetsGoRedSox:
Just curious though... If you are in a billet that requires you to have your BTM or BO qual, and you can't pass the PT test, you then lose that qual. If you don't have that qual, the CG may see it as you are unable to do your job. Could that be enough to discharge? For instance, if an IS was in a job that requires top secret clearance and they lose it for some reason, can't they be discharged? I'm just wondering.

I'm on the same page as you. EVERYONE in the CG should be able to pass the PFT on a moments notice. Its basically bare minimum numbers anyhow. The CG IS a military service, so I dont think its too much to ask. All we need are more fit senior enlisted to enforce it. If I had an out of shape chief tell me to PT... I'd do it... but I might laugh a little bit.

Brechty

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Originally posted by LetsGoRedSox:
Just curious though... If you are in a billet that requires you to have your BTM or BO qual, and you can't pass the PT test, you then lose that qual. If you don't have that qual, the CG may see it as you are unable to do your job. Could that be enough to discharge? For instance, if an IS was in a job that requires top secret clearance and they lose it for some reason, can't they be discharged? I'm just wondering.

I'm on the same page as you. EVERYONE in the CG should be able to pass the PFT on a moments notice. Its basically bare minimum numbers anyhow. The CG IS a military service, so I dont think its too much to ask. All we need are more fit senior enlisted to enforce it. If I had an out of shape chief tell me to PT... I'd do it... but I might laugh a little bit.

Brechty

I think this also comes down to the fact that if you mandate a PFT you have to provide time for the memeber to prepare for the PFT.

It's a bit unfair to require a standard to be met but not giving the resources to prepare for it.

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Originally posted by Brechty:

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Originally posted by LetsGoRedSox:
Just curious though... If you are in a billet that requires you to have your BTM or BO qual, and you can't pass the PT test, you then lose that qual. If you don't have that qual, the CG may see it as you are unable to do your job. Could that be enough to discharge? For instance, if an IS was in a job that requires top secret clearance and they lose it for some reason, can't they be discharged? I'm just wondering.

I'm on the same page as you. EVERYONE in the CG should be able to pass the PFT on a moments notice. Its basically bare minimum numbers anyhow. The CG IS a military service, so I dont think its too much to ask. All we need are more fit senior enlisted to enforce it. If I had an out of shape chief tell me to PT... I'd do it... but I might laugh a little bit.

Brechty

I think this also comes down to the fact that if you mandate a PFT you have to provide time for the memeber to prepare for the PFT.

It's a bit unfair to require a standard to be met but not giving the resources to prepare for it.

You are given 3 hours a week to work-out during normal working hours... plus are people that busy that they cannot give an extra 45 mins of their own time to work-out?!?! Geez...

BTW... our PFT standards are easy compared to the what the Marines have to do!!

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Originally posted by LetsGoRedSox:
Just curious though... If you are in a billet that requires you to have your BTM or BO qual, and you can't pass the PT test, you then lose that qual. If you don't have that qual, the CG may see it as you are unable to do your job. Could that be enough to discharge? For instance, if an IS was in a job that requires top secret clearance and they lose it for some reason, can't they be discharged? I'm just wondering.

No. First of all, an IS is required to maintain TS/SCI eligibility to be in the rating. So, it is not a 'requirement of a billet,' it is a requirement for the rating. This is clearly stated in the PERSMAN, as it the 'or else' portion. (Well ok, the or else isn't that clearly spelled out and not enforced that well either) Competencies attached to billets (where they are actually attached) are NOT there as requirements for the billet, they are there to measure the readiness of the command. It is expected that MANY people will arrive w/o the competencies. Now, ONE rating currently has competencies require for ADVANCEMENT to certain rates. There are not even clear "or elses" attached to those competencies other than not being able to advance.

All of that said, the folks developing the ME rating will likely put in a requirement to maitain certain standards throughout the career, but they will have to be spelled out, to include the 'or elses.'

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Originally posted by Brechty:

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Originally posted by LetsGoRedSox:
Just curious though... If you are in a billet that requires you to have your BTM or BO qual, and you can't pass the PT test, you then lose that qual. If you don't have that qual, the CG may see it as you are unable to do your job. Could that be enough to discharge? For instance, if an IS was in a job that requires top secret clearance and they lose it for some reason, can't they be discharged? I'm just wondering.

I'm on the same page as you. EVERYONE in the CG should be able to pass the PFT on a moments notice. Its basically bare minimum numbers anyhow. The CG IS a military service, so I dont think its too much to ask. All we need are more fit senior enlisted to enforce it. If I had an out of shape chief tell me to PT... I'd do it... but I might laugh a little bit.

Brechty

I think this also comes down to the fact that if you mandate a PFT you have to provide time for the memeber to prepare for the PFT.

It's a bit unfair to require a standard to be met but not giving the resources to prepare for it.

You are given 3 hours a week to work-out during normal working hours... plus are people that busy that they cannot give an extra 45 mins of their own time to work-out?!?! Geez...

BTW... our PFT standards are easy compared to the what the Marines have to do!!

Actually, I am given much more than 3 hours. And my PT hours are mandatory across my rating.. I am adminstered a monthly PT test. But those three hours for the rest of the guard are only if operations allow. and operations seem to not allow for it very often.

I wish the rest of the coast guard was alloted the samething I get. Because I have found that it has kept me in shape. It keeps me healthy. I never am concerned about weigh ins. It makes me look professional in an uniform. And it gives me the physical ability to preform my job.

All those things seem to be a direct benefit to the Coast Guard.

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You are given 3 hours a week to work-out during normal working hours... plus are people that busy that they cannot give an extra 45 mins of their own time to work-out?!?! Geez...

BTW... our PFT standards are easy compared to the what the Marines have to do!!

My son just got back to Camp Lejeune after a 6 month TDY out to 29 Palms, CA. Man, are they (the Marines) whipping his butt back into shape with some serious PT.

Don

Dog Show;
Would you be happy if I could get this statement written in to a Comdt Instruction in a section listing the Commanding Officers responsibilities?

"Provide all personnel on active duty (including Reservists performing ADT) a minimum of one hour three days a week, for voluntary participation in fitness enhancing activities."