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Group Wrench Monkey
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I heard somewhere that the GWOTSM was no longer automatic after AIT. I had heard that you had to be ***igned to a unit actively supporting the war on terrorism, basically rear D. So I checked my Soldiers' ERB's who came to us straight out of AIT. Sure enough it's not on their ERB. They said they were given them anyway and wore them for their AIT graduation.

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Global War on Terrorism
Service Medal (GWOTSM)

Awarded to Soldiers who have served in military operations to combat terrorism since 11 September 2001

Automatically eligible if serving in the military between 11 SEP 01 and 31 MAR 04

After Mar 04, Battalion Commanders (award approval authority), must determine that a Soldier serving on active duty has qualified for the GWOTSM

Soldiers cannot be awarded the GWOTEM and/or Armed Forces Service Medal for the same period of time when awarded the GWOTSM



According to what I've found you have to have served at least 30 days in a unit actively parti****ting in the GWOT. It is not automatic upon completion of AIT. No real point to me posting this other than an FYI.
 
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"A Marine on duty has no friends."
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Good post...no GREAT POST!...to back you up...

Global War on Terrorism Service Medal FAQ's- From Army Human Resources Command

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Question 6: Are Soldiers who have just graduated AIT automatically ent i tled to the GWOTSM?

Answer 6: Negative, Soldiers serving on active duty primarily in a training status (basic training, advanced individual training, officer training courses, etc…) are not authorized award of the GWOTSM for the active duty time they are in training.
The criteria for the awards specifically states that a Soldier has to serve on active duty in support of a designated GWOT operation (ONE, OEF and OIF) for 30 consecutive days or 60 nonconsecutive days. Soldiers in a training status are “not” supporting these designated operations.


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Question 7: When is an active duty Solder who has just graduated AIT authorized to be awarded the GWOTSM? When can a Reserve Component Soldier who has just graduated AIT authorized to be awarded the GWOTSM?

Answer 7: An “active duty” Soldier who has just graduated AIT may be awarded the GWOTSM after they have served 30 consecutive days (after graduation) and their battalion commander makes the determination that they meet the medal criteria.
A Reserve Component Soldier who has just graduated AIT may be awarded the GWOTSM when they are mobilized onto active duty in support of GWOT and served 30 consecutive days or 60 nonconsecutive days outside the AOE for the GWOTEM/ICM/ACM, and their battalion commander has made the determination that they meet the medal criteria.

 
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Would being reclassed in the NG count? My orders state the following
"RCU DMOSQ for OIF Pre-Deployment"
 
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No you cant be NG and receive it for training you would need to be adsw, agr or MOBed
 
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That's how my NG unit received it, for the 90 day mobilization period prior to deployment.
 
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Ask your S-1.

let them look at the FAQ's that I posted earlier...

But if those are State Active duty orders then no, since it is a federal award.

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Question 3: Are soldiers called-up under State Active Duty (SAD) orders authorized to be awarded the GWOTSM?

Answer 3: Negative. Only Reserve Component Soldiers called up under State Active Duty (SAD) orders in support of Airport Security operations from 27 Sep 01 through 31 May 02 are also authorized award of the GWOTSM. Soldiers called up under SAD after or before this time period are not authorized the award.

Question 4: Are Reserve or Active Component Soldiers on active duty primarily for training authorized to be awarded the GWOTSM? What about soldiers on Active duty for Training (ADT) orders?

Answer 4: Negative. Soldiers serving on active duty primarily for training in Initial Entry Training (IET) or Basic Training (BT), Advanced Individual Training (AIT), and/or for Annual Training (AT), Officer training courses, Warrant Officer training courses, and/or any training not in direct support of the GWOT operations are not authorized award of the GWOTSM.



read these again.....

Global War on Terrorism Service Medal FAQ's- From Army Human Resources Command

I think both questions cover you as in a no-go.

Your orders are State Active duty and are also for training....

even though they say for OIF pre-deployment, that is exactly what they are for...OIF pre-deployment...not OIF itself.

You probably need the reclass to even go on deployment in your slot that you are filling right now....so even if you do go on these orders, you are not supporting OIF, you are supporting your unit to get you to support OIF...

in your case, this must come before you can support OIF...right now you seem to be supporting not OIF, but your "green light" to go on OIF orders themselves....

You are not on OIF orders, since OIF is a federal mission, not a title 32 mission.

Did anyone understand what I said?

but hey thats my interpretation and not gospel...
 
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for the 90 day mobilization period prior to deployment


Im willing to bet those were title 10 orders.

You were at the Mob site prior to departure for 90 days right?

Deployment can mean away from your Home station as well as overseas.

Do you mean at the mob site, or the actual "final destination (Iraq-A'stan, etc.).

This seems to be the "catch all for the GWOT-sm you probably fell under:

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Question 8: My unit mobilized for 28 days before deploying to theater. We became eligible for the GWOTEM in theater. We left theater and were REFRADed 28 days later. Based on this, I determined that we did not meet either the 30-day consecutive or the 60-day nonconsecutive criteria for the GWOTSM, and were only eligible for the GWOTEM. However, all members of the unit were on active duty for 7 to 21 days immediately prior to our mobilization. We were in an Annual Training status for the express purpose of preparing for mobilization (equipment and personnel readiness). This was in direct support of GWOT, as opposed to a general training mission. The last day of the AT orders was the day immediately preceding the mobilization order. Taking this into account, each individual has 35 to 49 continuous days of active duty ISO GWOT before entering the GWOTEM AOE. Would they be eligible for the GWOTSM under these circumstances?

Answer 8: If the AT time was in support of GWOT, the Soldiers LTC Commander can make the determination on whether that AT time meets the criteria for the medal and award the decoration accordingly.



the key in the above Q & A was "AT status", not State Active Duty.

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If the AT time was in support of GWOT, the Soldiers LTC Commander can make the determination on whether that AT time meets the criteria for the medal and award the decoration accordingly.


for 13382746,

If in fact you are on AT orders and not State Active duty, then you might be able to ask your LTC (Commander) for the medal....just show the S-1 the FAQ's I posted and you may find out.

Let us know!
 
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Originally posted by WiFiWarrior:
I heard somewhere that the GWOTSM was no longer automatic after AIT. I had heard that you had to be ***igned to a unit actively supporting the war on terrorism, basically rear D. So I checked my Soldiers' ERB's who came to us straight out of AIT. Sure enough it's not on their ERB. They said they were given them anyway and wore them for their AIT graduation.

quote:
Global War on Terrorism
Service Medal (GWOTSM)

Awarded to Soldiers who have served in military operations to combat terrorism since 11 September 2001

Automatically eligible if serving in the military between 11 SEP 01 and 31 MAR 04

After Mar 04, Battalion Commanders (award approval authority), must determine that a Soldier serving on active duty has qualified for the GWOTSM

Soldiers cannot be awarded the GWOTEM and/or Armed Forces Service Medal for the same period of time when awarded the GWOTSM



According to what I've found you have to have served at least 30 days in a unit actively parti****ting in the GWOT. It is not automatic upon completion of AIT. No real point to me posting this other than an FYI.


Okay, the criteria has changed then. I remember seeing every kid coming out of AIT with both GWOTSM and NDSM. And people were still saying back then it wasn't a "pulse award" (like the NDSM), but I was having trouble figuring out how exactly they were supporting the GWOT in AIT. It sounds like DA cracked down on the criteria a bit, being a bit more specific with it. Which is good, because before it was being treated the exact same way as the NDSM.
 
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Group Wrench Monkey
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The Soldiers assigned to me in my squad were given the GWOTSM at AIT graduation even though it wasn't on the ERB. Apparently everyone hasn't gotten the memo.
 
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Originally posted by brak97:

Okay, the criteria has changed then.


The criteria has never changed. AIT recruits were never supposed to have gotten it.
 
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Originally posted by WiFiWarrior:
The Soldiers assigned to me in my squad were given the GWOTSM at AIT graduation even though it wasn't on the ERB. Apparently everyone hasn't gotten the memo.


That's pretty much what happened at Ft. Sill when I graduated AIT, it was up to the instructors, and your Drill Sgts...I know the 13B received the GWOT ribbon, but 13Ds and other mos's did not.
 
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Drill Sgts playing admin.......

lame......stay in your fookin lane!!!!!!
 
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