I was discharged on 1/23/95 with a General Under Honorable Condition and an RE3 Code. Its been 14 years since then and I want to reenlist into the Army. The reason of my separtation was "Patterns of Misconduct". However, those patterns of misconduct were intentional in order for me to be processed out of the Army at that time. Reason being is that members of my unit began to ETS and PCS without being replaced in a timely fashion which caused me to take on a 3-4 man operation all alone. It became too much of a burden and I initially asked for a transfer which was denied because they needed me there. So I asked my Commander what I can do to get out and he told me the only thing I could do was get myself in trouble to start the process. So......, I did. I started a pattern of tardiness to formations intentionally so that I could be discharged. There was no relief for the number of members who left the unit and I couldnt do the work by myself. My commander began to reduce my rank for my actions down to an E2 and then after about 2 months came the discharge. what do you think my chances are re-enlisting with all that has happened since 1995.
[QUOTE]It became too much of a burden and I initially asked for a transfer which was denied because they needed me there. So I asked my Commander what I can do to get out and he told me the only thing I could do was get myself in trouble to start the process. So......, I did. I started a pattern of tardiness to formations intentionally so that I could be discharged.[/QUOTE
To be honest, I do not even know why you are telling this entire story here. There is nobody on here who will say to you " Hey, let me give you a break on this, now that I know the story."
At this time it is rather difficult to get into the ARMY or even come back in as a prior service member. So, why would they bother with someone who already shown himself incapable to handle a tough situation?
I would think that it is no different for you than anybody else, due to the economy and that the ARMY can now have their pick in whom they want or not.
Let me ask you this...
If you were someone who is looking for someone to do the job and you have your pick...lets say a person who never was in trouble, simply left the army when their time elapsed and then someone in your position; who would you pick?
RE3 requires a waiver to get back in. You will also have to write a letter to the Battalion Commander as to why you did what you did and what has changed that can help the CO determine your eligibility for the waiver you are seeking.
Good luck...can be a long drawn out process or it may be something quick...remember, you will be entering as a prior service, but due to the amount of seperation, you may be required to go back through BCT, and most certainly AIT.
This let me know you probably won't get back in. Not to mention it was a pretty stupid thing to do.
Hard times pass. If you went to your COC and told them you could not handle the work load, they could have figured out a way to help you. You have to show them why it took severeal people to do your job.
I'm assuming since you were busted a couple times you were at least a SPC. If you were an NCO, I would have even greater doubts you would get back in.
I don't think you will get in right now because the Army is slowing down it's recruiting efforts, having already met their goal. Someone who is going to require an RE-Code waiver is just not someone USAREC is going to be focused on. Having been a recuiter i am pretty confident of this.
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I read you entire sob story. Big wah. You decided that more help was needed so you got yourself kicked out and left your unit even more shorthanded.
When I reported to one command we had 15 enlisted, two civilians and two officers doing the administrative work. By time I left we were down to one officer and six enlisted. We didn't complain about how much work we had to do (other than typical enlisted complaining), we just did it. How many of us acted like dirt bags and got kicked out because we couldn't handle the workload? Exactly zero. In fact, one of the six enlisted went from E-2 to E-5 during that time period, one went from E-5 to recommended for E-7 (and the next billet for him was an O-2 billet) and one went from E-6 to E-7.
Now that I'm finished b*tchin'. Prior service applicants basically are not getting in right now. Waivers basically are not being granted for hardly anything. Your chances of getting back in right now are slim to none and slim is losing right now.
so... on the issue of RE3... I retired, honorable dschg with an RE3 code, was flagged for PT 6 months prior to getting out, other than applying for a waiver and probably passing an age specific PT test, how hard is it for someone to get back in right now... I hear the guard across the nation is at 100+% strength...
ok, I'm not going to get on your case like everyone else has. don't care what you did, and why you did it, I screwed up too, so I feel your pain. I'm just gonna shoot straight with you about re-enlisting, based on what I've been through.
I'm a RE-3 waiver for misconduct as well. let me tell you what I know from my experience trying to re-enlist.
the National Guard is pretty much your only hope here. no other branch of service will even give you the time of day.
You will need a state-level waiver. This is the biggest thing, in your case. everything after that is standard inprocessing/recruit procedure. But the waiver is HUGE. No waiver, no re-enlist.
I had to write a letter to the Battalion Commander explaining the reason I was discharged the way I was, and why/how it will be different this time. You better tell it just how it happened too. Don't sugarcoat it or try to make it sound better than it was, because they WILL pull your Files and see for themselves anyway. Then make a solid case as to why and how you are going to straighten your sh*t up this time around. And as my recruiter told me: DO NOT use the "young and dumb" excuse. It doesn't work.
Not only did I have to write a letter, I had to speak in person with the 1SGT of my prospective unit as well, in order to convince him that I was worth giving a second chance to. The 1SGT's recommendation + the Letter you wrote will have a very, very significant effect on whether your waiver gets approved or not. 1SGT says no = waiver denied. PROTIP: Although you are a civilian, and the 1SGT may meet you on a weekend, in Civvies, Proper Military Bearing makes a very good impression. Stand at Parade Rest, Yes 1SGT, No 1SGT. Do it right.
Once/if your waiver comes back approved (which can take a good bit of time while due diligence is done on the matter), from there on it is just a matter of standard inprocessing. Go to the hotel, go to MEPS, do physical, get fingerprinted, yadda yadda.
However, even the Guard has started cracking down on prior service recruiting, and from what I understand, Waivers are no longer being taken at all ( an actual recruiter can correct me on this, if I am mistaken).
Luckily I got my waiver in and approved before this policy went into effect. I've done everything except sign my contract and swear in(Waiver, MEPS, all that stuff). my current issue is finding a slot in my state (Maryland) for my MOS (92A).
so it is possible, but only through the National Guard, and it will require a lot of time and patience.
Be ready for a very long process, if they even let you start.
I've been at this for roughly 4 months now, maybe more and I JUST went to MEPS for my physical and inprocessing last week. Just to give you a clue of the time frame we are talking about.This message has been edited. Last edited by: JMWhiteIV,
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The Regular Army and Army Reserve cannot touch you. We can put people with RE-3s back in, depending on what their SPD code is.
However, anything having to do with misconduct or performance is not waiverable at this time.
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I hope everything works out!
You never know what you had until it's gone, right? Intentionally backsliding to get out will be a hardsell for you, even for the Guard and especially in these days when waivers are becoming rare. Again, even PS NOT requiring waivers are having a hard time trying to get back in.
JMWhiteIV has some good advice. You may have to wait until the next FY though to try. Since your discharge, have you at least made yourself productive and in effect can have character references vouch for you? If you have, you might have some inkling of a chance. If not, if you haven't done much since and/or if you've gotten into any trouble with the law since leaving the Army, then you're done.
"If you focus on results, you will NOT get change. If you focus on change, you WILL get results."
ahhh yeah, I forgot to mention the references.
You'll need ideally 3, but no less than 2 Character Reference letters. At least ONE of the letters MUST be from an Employer or Former Employer. Ideally, all of them should be, but you can substitute a Personal (non-family) reference for one of the Employers if need be.
I only used two letters, both from Employers.
I have an entry-level discharge from 2002 in the Florida National Guard. I went through MEPS but never went to Basic Training before I was discharged with an RE-3 and an "Uncharacterized". My local Air Force Reserve recruiter refuses to help me now that he knows about this (though I told him from the beginning) and I'd like to know what my chances are of joining the Reserve or any branch with this re-enlistment code. Also, I am approaching the cut-off age to join most branches, active or Reserve.
RE-3 is waiverable for all branches, however, what you may be running up against is that most if not all Services have met their Mission for this fiscal year. IIRC, Oct 1 2009 starts the new fiscal year, and therefore you may want to find a new Recruiter and prepare them that your looking to hold off on signing till then...there are several former Recruiters that I am sure will correct the above and give you more of an idea of your chances.
Hey all. I just re-enlisted in the national guard as a Cavalry Scout yesterday. I've been trying to re-enlist for over a year and every recruiter I talked to told me that with a re 3 I couldn't get back in. I'm here to tell you that if you have been told this that they could be wrong. It depends on the reason you got out and how long it has been since you were released or discharged. You have to wait at least two years to join again after you have been discharged or released from your prior unit. The thing to keep in mind is that not every recruiter wants to deal with the extra paper work, but if you want in bad enough you'll go the distance to find a recruiter who will do it. I have read a blog about another guy who enlisted in Kentucky with a re 3 just a couple months ago and now I just re enlisted with an re 3 in Indiana, so it's not impossible to do. If anyone lives close enough to drive to Indiana and would like to find out the contact information for my recruiter email me and let me know I would be more than glad to help you. The recruiters at this office are awesome and they will do their best to get you in. They have a great First Sergeant there who is willing to help make sure you do and get what you need to re-enlist as well. He's a great guy and he helped me out a lot. I owe my job to him and my recruiter. If you're not close enough to enlist in Indiana email and let me know what state you are in and I will do my best to help you get the information and possibly a phone number to help you out. Good luck .This message has been edited. Last edited by: bonez502,
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I was discharged in '83 with an RE-3 code, for the "good of the service and the individual"...
I wrote several letters to my Congressman, who in turn wrote letters to the unit I was interested in joining in the NG or Reserves...
All worked out OK for me, but my issue was not legal, just a dumb married kid at 18 that skipped barracks restriction a few times ( I was Married and lived off post) and didn't need UCMJ proceedings...
After my discharge and all was said and done, my RE code had been rescinded to an RE-3C, requiring a waiver from my prospective unit...
Not hard for some, but pritty hard for others, being that you were flagged for PT means you would probably have to pass a PT test before you could re-enlist. On the bright side with an honorable discharge it probably wouldnt be hard for you to get a waiver at all, I would think that the National Guard would probably be your best bet, depending on your age.
Any RE-3 is waiverable, the problem is many recruiters do not want to take the time to do the waiver. When I was on recruiting duty, if you had an RE-3 I would have told you NO, because I did not want to do the paper work. Like it or not that's the facts.
Roger. That's the way it is still, few recruiters will take the time to do the paper work. Reason being that sometimes the waivers take too long and become a headache and they see it as a lost cause, because they could be spending the time they are using to do that waiver recruiting people who dont have to have a waiver.
I have seen very few RE-3s for a good reason - I have one on my Active 214 from the 92 drawdown. I'm assuming that would have been a relatively easy waiver - never had even a bad counseling statement, just picked an eternal 998 cutoff MOS .
Well FinanceSpecialist I saved an Army recruiters post which I like to call the "Army 2 Felony Joke" that was posted on the Michigan Talent Bank. After you read the Army Job Posting I hope you actually go to your recruiter and sign up to finish what you started.
"Job Order Number: 2407480 Job last updated: January 11, 2006
Job posted on: January 03, 2006
Company name: Army
Job title: 91x
Job type: Full Time
Hours per week: 40
Job(s) available: 7
Job location: Grand Rapids
Salary: From $ 14000.00 To $ 35000.00 per year.
Benefits: dental insurance, life insurance, medical insurance, optical insurance, paid sick leave, paid vacation, 401(k), pension plan
Other Benefit: Post Exchange and Commisary
Job description: This position requires that you qualify and enlist into the specified skill with less than two felonies, not currently on probation or parole and are between the ages of 17 and 40. The Army offers a wide variety of medical jobs that can offer you a vast list of resume worthy skills. If you would like to challenge yourself and do more than the average civilian training can offer you, then please call me for an appt.today at 616-xxx-xxxx.
Job requirements: This job requires a high school diploma and less than 1 years of experience.
Additional requirements: It is important that you understand that the Army is a equal oppurtunity employer, but does have some pretty strict requirements. Please call today for more information about a change that could affect you for ever. XXX-XX-XXXX
Directions to business: Traveling down the East beltline towards Rockford turn left on to Knapp St.about 3 miiles past the I96 On ramps. You will see a IHOP on the left, get in the U-turn lane but then go straight into the parking lot. You should see Chilis on your right, turn into the driveway coming up on your left just before Verizon. You will see the U.S. Army recruiting station located towards the center of the compled. Please ask for SSG Sch------, reference that you found this add at Michigan Works.
Please apply by Phone, by Fax or in person .
Contact: Carl Sch------ Business name: Army
Phone: (XXX)XXX-XXXX Address: Fax: (xxx)xxx-xxxx Suite
Email: Grand Rapids, MI 49525
If you would like to go back to your job order search result, click Back to Search Result.
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