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Flogging would be an appropriate punishement I think.
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All they took was one stripe. Hurt me! They sure made an example of this drip.
The CSM for Walter Reed got busted, a few months ago, for the same thing.
The top NCO in a unit (as well as every other NCO) should be the example of what TO do and doing the right things in order to accomplish the mission and take care of troops.
This guy pretty much kicked dirt on the NCO Corps and ignored the NCO Creed. What boggles my mind is how a CSM can walk into MCSS and start buying bling that he KNOWS he didn't earn, and then wear that stuff in front of troops who DID earn the stuff. Either has no dignity or is too self-centered to care.
He will still receive E-9 retirement pay, as he has 3+ years at that rank. He got off without any real punishment. OK so now he has a blank space between his chevrons and rockers rather than a star and wreaths. Big whoop.
If this had been a lowe enlisted guy (or even a junior NCO) the Soldier would have been destroyed and kicked out with a BCD. RHIP.
Actually, since he was reduced for cause, I don't think he keeps E-9 pay. It probably depends on the exact legal/regulatory path they took to reduce him. Regardless, E-8 is still too good for him...
Odds are if he's got the sack to wear the stuff he did on duty, continuing to wear CSM rank once retired won't be a big deal to him either.
You got to wonder if all his schools, awards and decorations to move him up through the ranks and pay-increases weren't just a case of an admin guy knowing how to pencil-whip a 201 file . . .
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The capability exists in law, but I have never seen it used. Under the US Code which covers Military Retirement, it allows for members reduced in rank during their service to be reverted to the old system which was based on your rank at retirement.
I have never seen this happen in the Army. If someone is allowed to retire, they seem to always get their high 3 retirement pay. I know the AF has a system of boards to determine retirement rank in cases like this, but I have never even heard of any kind of equivalent procedure in the Army.
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I don't think I agree with this either.
I think he should have lost more then one stripe myself for what he did but a BCD over something like this.....thats going a little far, IMO.
I don't think they would do that to someone lower in rank myself.
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What a sorry azzhole. He took a big dump on the NCO Creed and wiped his azz with it.
Well hopefully the old sayin' everything that comes around , goes around...applies to him somewhere down the line.
Maybe he'll be in need and the one person that could help him is a SF Bubba that recognizes him a a POSER.
Stranger things have happened .
Karma is a bit-ch.
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It will depend on when he joined the service. For years Retirement was based on highest rank held (and being in the guard he might be on the older system of last months paycheck not high three) but then 10 or so years back the law was changed to highest rank successfully held. If he qualifes under the old law - he would receive CSM pay - under the new law MSG pay. The law stipulates that the rules are based on when he joined the service.
Saw an SFC court-martialed down to E4 - defense lawyer managed to get repeated delays in the trail until idiot was over 18 years of active service. Because the court-martial didn't direct immediate seperation, idiot got to stay until 20 and still received SFC retirement pay. O-6 was POed to say the least.
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This is bad, but I've seen some HUGE turd CSMs in the NG. I'm sorry, but it's true.
From what I recall during my NG AGR admin days, one retires at the highest rank 'successfully held' for at least 180 days. Being involuntarily demoted does not qualify as 'successfully held'. Also NG does not go by high-3 or such retirement schemes. It's strictly by how many retirement points you earn during a 20 or more year career that are then plugged into a formula. Good luck; cul8r.
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I have an uncle who was busted from E-7 to E-6 right before he retired from the Air Force. I believe he retired at E-7 pay.
I think a DWI is what lead to his bust. This was back in the early '80s.
The reality is that the "old guard" soldiers who drank beer on the weekends and trained occasionally have 15-20 years in now. We had a problem in my one of my units with a Senior NCO who still thought like a SPC. Yet when we tried to fire the guy the BDE CSM stepped in and said it wasn't happening. We've been at war for 9 years now, and I think it has been very good for the National Guard. Eventually the dirtbags will filter out and our senior leadership will be combat-experienced soldiers who want to be there instead of guys looking for an extra paycheck.
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Man, what's up with these people with "rank" wearing something they don't rate?
A couple of years ago there was Navy Captain who got busted wearing eleven medals he never rated.
We had that NG 2dLt (previous BUDS washout) who wore a SEAL Trident.
Now we got a CSM!
"If you focus on results, you will NOT get change. If you focus on change, you WILL get results."
There is a lot of truth to what you are saying. After all these years of fighting of lot of them really have just dropped out. However things go in cycles as we all know. Once these wars end and all the combat veterans filter out things will go back to the way they were. I imagine it was much the same after WW2. Hopefully most of the good ones will hang around for a while.
I've said it before, there was a NG SF SGM who got busted for similar "awards inflation." Among other things it turned out he was wearing a master blaster he never earned yet he was considered one of the most senior JM's in BN!
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