i can't find which AR has the specifics on wear/not wearing your headgear under cover. i hear some people say that if you are in the barracks, and under the overhang in front of your door, that you still need to have your headgear on.

but, i have also heard that if there is anything over your head, like a gazebo or something that doesn't even have walls: that you can take your headgear off.

i have also hear that if you are outdoors, you must have a roof and at least 3 walls around to take off your cover.

where is this in the regs?

thanks.

I don't know what the regs say, but I just do what everyone else does

But on a somewhat serious note, my 1SG once said that you must wear headgear in a military vehicle. I don't know how accurate that is, but I'd love to throw it in his face if he's wrong

Unless it interferes with the safe operation of the vehicle.

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Originally posted by mike_christiansen:
I don't know what the regs say, but I just do what everyone else does

But on a somewhat serious note, my 1SG once said that you must wear headgear in a military vehicle. I don't know how accurate that is, but I'd love to throw it in his face if he's wrong

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But on a somewhat serious note, my 1SG once said that you must wear headgear in a military vehicle. I don't know how accurate that is, but I'd love to throw it in his face if he's wrong

You've been in 3 years and don't know that yet?

Unless it is a sedan or some other vehicle similar to a POV you aught to be wearing a K-pot.

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Originally posted by dissipator16:
i can't find which AR has the specifics on wear/not wearing your headgear under cover. i hear some people say that if you are in the barracks, and under the overhang in front of your door, that you still need to have your headgear on.

but, i have also heard that if there is anything over your head, like a gazebo or something that doesn't even have walls: that you can take your headgear off.

i have also hear that if you are outdoors, you must have a roof and at least 3 walls around to take off your cover.

where is this in the regs?

thanks.

Check out AR670-1, I'm pretty sure it's one of the 1st couple of chapters under when uniforms are prohibited / required.

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I'd love to throw it in his face if he's wrong

He's not wrong, he's your 1SG. Unless it's a violation of a regulation or an unlawfull order your 1SG can make what ever policy he (and his commander) want to. In the case of headgear, I beleive AR670-1 states that headgear will be worn when in uniform except when.... there are several instances but the one that relates to military vehicles says unless it will hinder the safe operation of the vehicle. Every one of the units I have been assigned to has had a headgear required policy.

The commander or 1SG can also at their discretion establish a 'no hat' or 'no salute' area in their AO.

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Originally posted by azmax64:

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But on a somewhat serious note, my 1SG once said that you must wear headgear in a military vehicle. I don't know how accurate that is, but I'd love to throw it in his face if he's wrong

You've been in 3 years and don't know that yet?

That's what I was thinking.

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Originally posted by runfuret:
Unless it is a sedan or some other vehicle similar to a POV you aught to be wearing a K-pot.

Exactly right, though not followed all the time in garrison it seems.

Opartion of a tactical vehicle requires the driver and TC are wearing ACH or ballistic helmet.

The source of this is a safety message and can probably be found on the Army Safety center website.

simonferrer nailed it: wearing headgear/cover while in gazebos, under overhangs, in wall-less tents, etc., is usually addressed by local policy.

The "new" hospital (Bldg. 2) at Walter Reed, for example, has a large overhang on all four sides of the building - all commanders while I was there (for eight years) made that a no-hat/no-salute area. Likewise, the center court of the Pentagon (aka "Ground Zero" for decades before the WTC took that designation) - that has NO cover other than trees - is a no-hat/no-salute area.

Those under arms or carrying the colors indoors leave their covers/headgear on.

that local policy makes sense. thanks for the help everyone.

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Originally posted by mike_christiansen:
I don't know what the regs say, but I just do what everyone else does

But on a somewhat serious note, my 1SG once said that you must wear headgear in a military vehicle. I don't know how accurate that is, but I'd love to throw it in his face if he's wrong

i was also told that you needed to wear a kevlar in a military vehicle... dont know if that was just unit policy or army reg

This is the first unit I've been in where you have to where k-pot. It sucks donkey doo.

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Originally posted by WiFiWarrior:
This is the first unit I've been in where you have to where k-pot. It sucks donkey doo.

I've noticed it's different from post to post; some posts only require a helmet if you're taking the vehicle into a tactical training area. I think the CG of the post sets the policy.

Or theater command. CENTCOM required Kpots or ACH's in tactical vehicles, but it was only enforced on FOBs or expeditionary camps... just like the flip flop police.

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The "new" hospital (Bldg. 2) at Walter Reed, for example, has a large overhang on all four sides of the building - all commanders while I was there (for eight years) made that a no-hat/no-salute area. Likewise, the center court of the Pentagon (aka "Ground Zero" for decades before the WTC took that designation) - that has NO cover other than trees - is a no-hat/no-salute area.

Likewise the campus area directly surrounding the main building at USASMA (United States Army Sergeants Major Academy)

Unless the AR has changed, the only time that you do not remove your headgear indoors is when you are under arms. Under cover means, inside a building. An overhang is outside that door so you are techy....outside.

Already covered all that, SigSgt.

To clear up a misunderstanding, I should give more information.

First, it was just after I had gotten out of basic training. I was simply recalling this. (He was another company's 1SG at the time)

Second, the "military vehicle" was a bus. Obviously, in a tactical vehicle, appropriate gear should be worn.

He had said this because after a hot day at an NBC range (everyone was wearing MOPP, etc), people took their hat off inside the bus. He said it was a military vehicle, and everyone must wear a hat.

Finally, I understand, since he's the 1SG, he's in charge, therefore he's right (in 99.9999% of situations). However, there is a difference between "Regulations say you must wear headgear in this bus" and "My policy is that you wear headgear in this bus." Many people don't distinguish between the two, and I have seen some people get in trouble/look stupid for following a unit policy outside of the unit AO because they thought it was the actual standard for the Army. It's important to clarify, in my opinion.