Well my daughter was suppose to release from BCT under chapter 5-17 due to medical and now they changed it to chapter 11.What is it means. Would she get any benifit at all since she has not complete BCT? Thank you for your help.
Nona

Not totally sure on the Chapter 11. But, I think it's pretty safe to say she will not receive any benefits once she is out.


Sgt Mom

Found this:

CHAPTER: 11 ENTRY LEVEL PERFORMANCE AND CONDUCT
In order for a soldier to qualify for this chapter, the command must initiate the chapter while the soldier is on the initial 180 days of continuous active military service. Soldier qualifies for separation under this chapter if the soldier displays unsatisfactory performance or minor disciplinary infractions as evidenced by inability, lack of reasonable effort, or failure to adapt to the military environment. Furthermore, pursuant to paragraph 11-3d, if a soldier is in an entry level status and qualifies for separation for unsatisfactory performance (Chapter 13) or for a Pattern of Misconduct (Chapter 14-12b), separation processing will be accomplished under this chapter.
1-18 counseling required: Yes (l-18a(3))
Medical Required: No (l-34a) but check 11-3b for pregnant females.
Mental Required: No (1-34b)
Approval Authority: Commander, 705th MP Bn. or Garrison Commander (l-21d)
Type of discharge authorized: Uncharacterized (11-8)
Note: If Basic Active Service Date and information on DA Form 2A conflict, date on enlistment contract starts the clock.
Documents Required for Chapter:
( ) Request for separation
( ) All counseling statements including 1-18 “magic” counseling statement (See Example - Appendix B) describing soldier's inability to adapt to the military environment.
( ) Debt avoidance counseling (Appendix C)
( ) Education benefits counseling (Appendix D)
( ) DA Form 2A
( ) DA Form 2-1 or ERB
( ) FLAG for elimination



With that meaning there could be something else besides Medical as an issue here. I believe unless it was a medical condition that happened during BCT she will not receive any benefits. She should though be paid for her time in.

Failure to adapt is the main one there, from what I've heard. Usually it's a failure to adapt to physical standards, and occasionally it's a failure to lose an attitude problem. Definitely no benefits, plus I believe it's considered an "other than honorable" discharge, which means she may have a hard time finding a civilian job for a little while, people don't look too well on dishonorable or other than honorable discharges.

Thanks NWIP - got sidetracked before I could search for the info you provided!

My daughter did devaloped Tendernities on her knees and so much in pain. That is why originally she was getting a chapter 5-17. Now she wrote to mee and said it has changed to chapter 11. With the pain she has given 200% worked hard. Yet couldn't do the pysical. No other reason.
Thank you all.
Nona

If that's really the case, then I would be trying to find somebody with whom to appeal the decision. As others said, if it's a medical discharge, it's a different scenario.

Thank you so much. So it is basically not an honorable discharge?
I will have to get more Infromation from her as her unit is graduation this Friday.I just want her home if she is ill. Will inform as I know more.
Thank you.
Nona

A chapter 11 is not dishonorable, it's called other than honorable - meaning not negative, but definitely not positive either. There's no benefits involved and it doesn't look stellar. (And actually my husband isn't sure that all chapter 11s are other than honorable, some may be dishonorable)

A medical discharge - I'm pretty sure it's honorable, and there can be some benefits involved.

No matter what, it's not going to be a quick thing, it can take several weeks. The military has decent doctors and they'll take care of her.

A chapter 5-17 is a faaaaaarrrr cry from a medical discharge. 5-17 has to do with mental/emotional issues that can range from air sickness to claustrophobia, sleep walking to any kind of mental condition that manifests disturbances of perception, thinking, emotional control or behavior sufficiently.

A regular separation, chapter 11, is for unsatisfactory performance and/or conduct.
These are the reasons listed per the AR 635-200:
a. Inability.
b. Lack of reasonable effort.
c. Failure to adapt to the military environment.
d. Minor disciplinary infractions.

Ah good info BAW ... so Nona, it looks like your daughter may not be giving you the full picture. To be honest, I would be surprised that tendonitis would get a person totally out of the military (our neighbor has a broken back and he's still in), perhaps your daughter is just using that condition to try to explain away what is going on. Just remember that you're only getting your daughter's half of the situation. Time will tell what will happen.

All I know is she is so much in pain. The x-rays were abnormal. That is all for now. She is going to call tomorrow. Will post.
Thank you.
Nona

In her word this is the job she really wanted. I guess, God has other plans for her.
Nona

Even if its a med discharge it's an ELS, thus no benefits (even med discharges require a min of 2 years to get GI Bill benefits). If they determined that she lied about a pre-existing condition she's in trouble.

ELS's CAN NOT be dishonorable. An ELS is a Administrative Discharge-dishonorable carries a punitive charge (thus not allowed without a courts martial). Actually, the characterization code can even read "ELS" and have no honorable, OTH, etc with it. Given for less than 180 days of service, it just means that there was no basis for evaluation of conduct because the member was not in long enough. The discharge will also carry an RE code which will carry more weight as to determining the exact reason for discharge.

I should add that a "failure to adapt" could be a huge host of reasons. Physical ailments does include that. If for some reason that she's developed an acute and sudden onset of tendinitis, they've tried all measures of relieving that pain/condition to no avail---that would be included in a 'failure to adapt' category.

If she was given specific instructions to relieve or alleviate by the Docs and she failed to do that with reasonable efforts (and tendinitis is only relieved really with ice, rest, and anti-inflammatory meds), that would also lead to a 'failure to adapt' as well.

If she was examined and told that there was no way that she could continue going the course that she was going and could/will do permanent damage to her knees, that would probably fall under 'inability'....since that would hinder her ability to perform satisfactory.

That last one is not too far of a reach actually....lol....the other might be a stretch though. Just throwing out some ideas and definitions of stuff is all--she may not necessarily be lying to ya mom, you'd really have to wait until they've completed her medical profile and such.
Now, there's a chance she could be either recycled or she could have an RE3 code. If there's no RE3 code, she could wait a couple of years (I think it's 2), take the time to rehab if at all possible and try again.
If there's an RE3....then there's no reenlistment for her in the immediate future.

BAW- RE-3s are actually relatively easy to waiver, provided the condition for discharge changes. Medical discharges typically fall under this catagory

RE-4s are about impossible.

RE-1 is fully eligible
RE-2 is for those who are otherwaise able to re-enlist but can't because they're retiring or the like.

Should have said seperation code shows exactly why persn was discharged

Crap, I'm off on my numbers--good catch Catherine. I meant to say RE3 and RE4 codes....hate it when I do that. ACK!

Mom, if you look up RE Codes at the website About, it'll give a lot more detail on the separation codes.

She should call me today and will be able to talk a little longer. I will ask all the questions and post.
I don't know all the military laws in this country. My daughter was not born here either. Yet she wanted to serve.Yet we don't have any resources either. Well I guess God has other plans.
blessings to all of you.
Nona

It has been a ride. Finally no discharge for her whe will be going to PTRP for treatment Monday. Thank you so mcuh for all your support.
Blessings,
Nona

You can't always believe what you read on these. It is kind of like news papers, alot of fact but some BS mixed in. I was injured (knee injury) much like your daughter. My drill sgt. wanted to push me out on a medical. I did not want pushed out on a medical because I was young and naive and had been told if I took a medical I could never come back. I was then ordered to write that I lacked motivation and wanted to go home (because I protested being medically discharged). I protested to no avail. So I did what we were told to do when we received an order we didn't agree with, which is to follow the order and then report it. I went straight to my XO and informed him that it was not the case, and that I was ordered to write the statement. He ignored me and signed my discharge papers under Chapter 11, Seperation Code JGA, ReEntry Code 3. I had no idea what any of that meant. I was told that under this I could return after two years. That was 14 years ago. I have never been allowed to return. I never had any disciplinary actions taken against me and I have page after page of recommendations of what a highly motivated soldier I was, but one that says ENTRY LEVEL PERFORMANCE AND CONDUCT was the reason for seperation. The truth is I never wanted to leave the Army, it was all I wanted since I was a child. To this day I do not know what the JGA stands for and cannot help but feel a bit betrayed. I love our service men and women for the job they are doing, and regret never having the opportunity. I tell you this in hopes that it will open the eyes of people to the truth of what goes on. I think your daughter should still be honored, at least she had the desire to serve her country even if that opportunity was denied her.