so im a new wife to an army man. about 5 months now. i was raised as a navy brat so i know my way around the military stuff. now that im an actual wife new things have been brought to my attention. my husband is in the army at Ft. Stewart. recently he was late to pt by 3 minutes. his nco decided to turn that into an art 15. okay no big deal. but the things that came along with it made me mad. he got 15 days of extra duty (nbd) but they took 500$ from him and hes on 90day rank probation. awwwsome. >_< im not one to complain about money ever! but this time i am. i JUST found a job and if your from this area u know how kinda impossible that is considering the amount of people here. i make 8$ an hour and i get 8 hours a week...and i drive 50 miles to this job. so money is definately ! something we need. the army taking that much is just nuts to me. my husband went to jag and asked about it and they said theres nothing they can do about it. okay so 500 we just lost. ... but now there going to take his rank....why because again he was late 3 minutes. and not on purpose! at gate 2 there is construction going on and thats why he was late. ...do u know how hard it is to get into that base? i can almost bet there is a handful of people who are late on a daily basis. I just think its nuts. if they take his rank ..bam there goes more money. now...im pretty sure the military is allowed to do this....because all the military is, is a place where u sell your soul to get free housing and medicare. its nothing like it was back in the day. anyways....i want to know we have to do in order to not be put on the streets.

your husband needs to get up earlier...if getting up an hr earlier will help him get to work on time then so be it. He keeps being late there will be more consquenses.

what babygirl said. if construction is so bad and has been for so long and he KNOWS that things take longer then he needs to make sure he is on time. Period.

the only way to make sure he remembers is to hit him where it hurts.. the wallet.


I would bet that he is the one the decided to make an example of after repeated instances of people being late.

First of all, those types of repercussions are what come with an article 15 - there's a list of options. So if you're ok with the article 15, then be ok with the repercussions. A bit of a nitpick, but that's what an article 15 is.

Second of all, I don't even believe what MrsJVB suggested, about being made an example. I have a feeling that there is something going on with your husband in particular. Either he's been to PT late several times, is messing around at work, or something ... that's a serious consequence for being 3 minutes late once. There is the possibility of the making ane xample of him though ... but for that to have been the case, then your husband has specifically been warned about being late. He needs to leave early for PT and nap in his car til everybody else gets there if need be, or consider moving on post.

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Originally posted by theainjmtant:
Second of all, I don't even believe what MrsJVB suggested, about being made an example. I have a feeling that there is something going on with your husband in particular. Either he's been to PT late several times, is messing around at work, or something ... that's a serious consequence for being 3 minutes late once.

I agree.

art 15 for 3 minutes late is the "official charge" convicted for, but I'd bet a grand that more led up to it (meaning he's been habitually late, etc.)

Either way, unfortunately what a service member does effects pay and therefore family. For some, that reality keeps them out of trouble as they keep themselves straight. For others, it does not. Sorry it sucks for you, but get mad at him for not figuring out how to get there on time, not the Army for following rules and regulations that they have. (It definately wouldnt be fair to the single guys if they were the only ones who got a cut in pay for screwing up)

Good luck

Me three. There's more to this than just being late a time or two.

it was worse "back in the day" when my dad was in and someone was late they either had a nice nap in confinement till they could work out how to get up, or put into the barracks and got a beautiful wake up call each morning.
you shouldnt have to teach adults to wake up or about time management harsh as that may be to hear,

sorry sucks for you this is happening but your husband is an adult and has to learn to get up.

and the excuse of your base being hard to get onto, you know this so leave 20 min earlier to get there or even get to work early... easier to kill time then make it up.

and if you dont work or you work a schedule while he sleeps if hes on shift, you wake up then wake his ass up if he can't get up. then go back to bed or whatever your doing.

also if your getting 8 bucks and hour and only doing 8 hours a week and driving 50 miles (im hoping not each way) i would quite, save that gas money because your whole pay check is going into you going back and forth to work.

wait tables in your area or even babysit or walk dogs would be better money wise in the long run then wasting your whole paycheck on gas to get you there and back

I agree that there is probably more to the story.

I remember at least 2 commands that moved guys into the barracks for a while because they could not get to work on time.

My husband was always paranoid about getting to work on time and if needed left an hour before to make sure he was never late The only time he was late was when he was hit on his motorcycle on the way to work.



Mom

My husbands unit is VERY big about being on time. In fact I've heard my husband say many times that they hand out Article 15's all the time for people being late. My husband always makes sure he leaves early enough that no matter what happens he makes it on time. I doubt this was a one time thing though.

We live about 15 minutes from base. aprox 10 miles... DH leaves almost an hour before he is supposed to be to work.. Just to make sure he is on time. When we lived ON BASE he left 30 -40 minutes before he was supposed to be to work.

I don't know about any other branch but in the Air Force. If you are scheduled to be some where at 0700 you get there at 0645 or earlier... or you are considered late. This includes work.

I agree, there is something more to the story.

Everyone in the military is taught about being "on time" which means 15 minutes early. My hubby is constantly running late to meet me anywhere, but as far as getting on time to the job, he's there 20 minutes early.

Heck, try to make an appt at the on-post clinic, they'll tell you your appt time and then tell you to show up 15 minutes early. I think its just a military thing. (Which is one of the big reasons civilian companies like hiring prior military... because they will be on time!)

Good luck to you and your husband. Hopefully he won't be late anymore.

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I agree, there is something more to the story.

Everyone in the military is taught about being "on time" which means 15 minutes early. My hubby is constantly running late to meet me anywhere, but as far as getting on time to the job, he's there 20 minutes early.

Heck, try to make an appt at the on-post clinic, they'll tell you your appt time and then tell you to show up 15 minutes early. I think its just a military thing. (Which is one of the big reasons civilian companies like hiring prior military... because they will be on time!)

Good luck to you and your husband. Hopefully he won't be late anymore.

im never on time for work. i try but im late, i am getting better at it though

We've always operated with - "early is on time, on time is late".

I always get to places early because I'm paranoid about being late.


Mom

lol.....SgtMom, we grew up with that motto too! To this day, I stress out if I'm 'late'....and Lord help the person on the other end when I AM actually truly late for an appointment---even 1 minute after my scheduled time....lol....they always look at me like I'm nuts!

we live on post at Stewart and if DH is traveling during peak times i.e PT, lunch, he makes sure to leave early (usually about 45 min) He also lives by the early is on time, on time is late when it comes to work.
As for the job, have you tried looking at craigslist? I just looked two days ago and they had several postings for office jobs in Hinesville, also check on post I'm pretty sure the childcare center is always hiring.
To me that does sound like a harsh punishment, but sometimes you just have to deal with it,KWIM?

I have to agree with the rest that it's highly unlikely that this was the punishment for a first offense. It would just be almost unheard of, in my experience, for them to take it to that extreme unless it was a continuous problem OR he's had other issues with them in the past and this was just the final straw.

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Originally posted by jsewell1217:
...im pretty sure the military is allowed to do this....because all the military is, is a place where u sell your soul to get free housing and medicare. its nothing like it was back in the day. anyways....i want to know we have to do in order to not be put on the streets.

As a Soldier, and the husband of a Soldier, I take great offense at this statement. If your husband shares this view, no wonder he is getting article 15's. In over ten years I have never seen a Soldier get an article 15 for just being late once(unless they missed movement). He most likely had a series of negative counselings for any number of things you don't know about. If he dosn't want to be "out on the streets", he needs to square himself away.

And you're right, it's nothing like back in the day. Back in the day they had stockades, 'wall to wall' couseling sessions(NCO's beat the snot out of you), and 80$ a month paychecks. I'm thrilled it's nothing like back in the day.

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Originally posted by lamar_pye:

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Originally posted by jsewell1217:
...im pretty sure the military is allowed to do this....because all the military is, is a place where u sell your soul to get free housing and medicare. its nothing like it was back in the day. anyways....i want to know we have to do in order to not be put on the streets.

As a Soldier, and the husband of a Soldier, I take great offense at this statement. If your husband shares this view, no wonder he is getting article 15's. In over ten years I have never seen a Soldier get an article 15 for just being late once(unless they missed movement). He most likely had a series of negative counselings for any number of things you don't know about. If he dosn't want to be "out on the streets", he needs to square himself away.

And you're right, it's nothing like back in the day. Back in the day they had stockades, 'wall to wall' couseling sessions(NCO's beat the snot out of you), and 80$ a month paychecks. I'm thrilled it's nothing like back in the day.

Wow, I completely missed this part when I first read it, and I'm glad I did, and your response is perfect - original poster, you and your husband both need major attitude checks. If the military sucks so bad, get out of it.

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Originally posted by lamar_pye:

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Originally posted by jsewell1217:
...im pretty sure the military is allowed to do this....because all the military is, is a place where u sell your soul to get free housing and medicare. its nothing like it was back in the day. anyways....i want to know we have to do in order to not be put on the streets.

As a Soldier, and the husband of a Soldier, I take great offense at this statement. If your husband shares this view, no wonder he is getting article 15's. In over ten years I have never seen a Soldier get an article 15 for just being late once(unless they missed movement). He most likely had a series of negative counselings for any number of things you don't know about. If he dosn't want to be "out on the streets", he needs to square himself away.

And you're right, it's nothing like back in the day. Back in the day they had stockades, 'wall to wall' couseling sessions(NCO's beat the snot out of you), and 80$ a month paychecks. I'm thrilled it's nothing like back in the day.

Wow, I completely missed this part when I first read it, and I'm glad I did, and your response is perfect - original poster, you and your husband both need major attitude checks. If the military sucks so bad, get out of it.

Yeah, it's burried at the bottom, but it just jumped out at me,lol. I agree, if this couple 'sold their souls' for free housing and "medicare", they need to execute an about face right out of the Army.

How anyone, much less an Army wife, in this age of non stop deployments, can consider the Army a free ride is beyond me.

And BTW OP, housing and medical is not 'free'. Just like in any job, a benefit is not free. Try quiting. Not so free anymore.