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Id say if you're in this business to earn shiny little trinkets to pin on your uniform you should have stayed in the boy scouts. It used to be that if you wanted to earn an insignia in the CG you had two options; go flying or spend 5 rated years at sea. Now we have a little trinket for every little thing. Whats next, a mess cook pin? Going back to a previous thread on this topic this pin sounds like a gimme for someone who was too scared or lazy to go to sea and earn a permanent Cuttermans pin. I dont need a shiny little piece of tin to remind me that going to IDC school, serving 4 afloat tours back to back, and EARNING the title DOC from my Shipmates was one of the most rewarding experiences of my career. All HS's wear the cadeusus on our rating insignia isnt that enough? If the only requirement for wear is graduating a school it waters down the significance of the insignia. It should be time performance based to give it distinguished significance otherwise it will be viewed as a gimme.
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Akwaman,
I agree. I would rather take a $12.00 annual proficiency pay for being a practicing IDHS than pay $12.00 for some pin through the UDC. Since that ain't gonna happen, I'll just enjoy the unique job for what it is and continue to enjoy listening to the brain trust around me assume they know my job...excuse me...time to do my daily DRE on the next guy who knocks on my door. |
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This kills me, why can't people just be happy that others have a chance to get an insignia? Do you wear your dive pin? If so, you're a hipacrite from what you just said since it's not wings or a cutterman's pin. Some people just need to climb down from that pedestal they've put themselve's up on....
It's the old mentality that if you didn't do what I did, you aren't deserving. |
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No pedistal Chris, by your interpertation I would be eligable to wear the IDHS pin as it's a gimme for completing IDC school. I'm proud of my achievements as an IDC, Cutterman, and DMT. My shipboard time was the most memorable of my career and earning a permanent cutterman insignia came with much personal sacrifice and time spent away from my family. That is why it means so very much to me and every other cutterman in the fleet who has earned it. There are only two CG Corpsmen on active right now who are qualified to wear the DMT pin and it didnt come from some watered down requirement where just anyone could get one. It was a six month investment of blood sweat and determination. Proving and reproving ones self every day amongst the best the Navy has to offer both physically and mentaly. I guess if it were easy everybody would be doing it. Instead there are too many who are content to sit on the beach and contribute to the food blister growing on their midsection. Establishing an insignia which doesnt require sacrifice & investment on the part of the member is just making something that anyone can earn thereby making it a gimme. If and when it's approved wear it with pride right along with the flood of other folks who will be wearing it because it's extremely ordinary and takes little to no personal investment to earn. |
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Well, if we're talking about the IDHS pin, then you obviously haven't read the requirements to wear it. It's not JUST completing school, you also have to have a successful tour. I believe there was a provision if someone didn't have the chance to attend a school, but had a successful tour anyway. So, I'd someone who would be eliable to wear the IDHS pin have earned it, much the same as a cutterman's. I wasn't trying to downplay the DMT pin, that's an awesome accomplishment. I will say this, don't diss others just because we didn't decide to go to dive school. I have NO desire to learn to dive, that doesn't mean I haven't paid my dues in other ways like others.
If the IDHS pin gets approved eventually, no one says you have to wear it. What people don't understand is that there are many billets just as demanding and undesirable as U/W and take almost as much time away from your family. But this is pretty much off the topic of this thread, so... |
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I never saw U/W jobs as undesirable, my humble opinion is that they are the some of the best assignments available but do take a toll on family life and require some personal sacrifice. There are services for those who truly find sea duty undesirable Army, Air Force, Peace Corps or Girl Scouts are great alternatives. Cheers! |
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I would just like to say as a current student in IDHS school. This is an excellent program, and its certainly not watered down. These instructors past and present along with all the folks out there whom have made this possible really put something above and beyond great together, and I am HONORED to be a pioneer of this program as it is still very young in comparison with our sister school Surface IDC.
But equally just as challenging. Our class has had some new things incorporated as will the next class, they are ensuring we have integrity, knowledge, and most certainly brotherhood with our shipmates whom also will step up to the plate of being Independant Duty. So I for one do not think its such a bad idea to have something to distinguish ourselves from the rest...my fellow corpsman whom choose to make that sacrifice of getting underway, going isolated, going overseas into CENTCOM, or running down range playing SWAT in a DOG setting. Its like the difference between a BM, and then you have a SURFMAN walk in.....how do we know?? we look on his/her chest....and we know. I am damned proud to not only be a Corpsman.....but to sit amongst some of the finest fellow shipmates right now, and learn from some of the best IDC's, in the best school. If there was a seperate rate for IDHS....sign me up yesterday....but until then we keep on keeping on badge or not.  |
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Well stated, runsprockett. You and your fellow classmates reflect, and represent, the core values of our service: Honor, Respect, and Devotion to Duty. I am honored to be in a position to have a positive impact on future IDHSs such as yourself and your 19 clasmates. If we get a pin, we shall wear it with pride; if we don't get a pin, your accomplishments out in the field will outshine any pin, both personally and professionally. Personal pride in one's accomplishments is more satisfying in the long run anyway. Metal will rust and break; personal accomplishment and a 'job well done' will follow one to the grave. Fair winds...  |
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You are not a Corpsman. Corpsman are only in the Navy. You are an HS. Not sure when the CG decided to make that change, but they did.
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corpsman
One entry found for corpsman. Main Entry: corps·man Pronunciation: k()r(z)-mn, k()r(z)- Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural corps·men /-mn/ : a military enlisted person trained to give first aid and minor medical treatment Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary (c) 2008 |
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That took a while! Or, everyone just decided to ignore it (which we know isn't true). And, based on that definition, what is the purpose of an HS? An SA straight from the Cape can be taught first aid and minor procedures.
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seanbob, I'm not sure what dog you have in this hunt being an FS1. I do see in your profile you appear to be more proud of your Navy time as an HM than your time in the Coast Guard as an FS. The fact remains, Coast Guard Corpsmen, Health Service Technicians, spit suckers, checker peckers or any other name you wish to use are more rounded in their medical training coming out of A school than any other service. HSC Roger Elliott HS "A" School Course Chief |
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Chief,
Every now and then I feel the need to poke fun at someone and I chose the HS'. Why? Because I was an HM and it is fun to do. And, no, not more proud of my HM time since I have been doing this longer. Just not as much stuff to put on my profile to reflect the many "FS missions" I have been on. FS1 S.C. Tabor Proud USCG FSO! |
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Roger- Some of us like to portray our mechanical ability and engineering flair as HS's so please dont forget to add PEN!S MACHINIST to your list. Cheers! Phil |
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Or "Chancre-mechanic", as I am a PMT. |
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George you are killing me. It is always about the Chancre isn't it? Love ya like a step brother.
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Bob, as VD has morphed in general, and syphilis in particular, with 'superbugs' that laugh at modern antibiotics, I'm developing a "special" wrench that can be used only on chancres. The way it works is you torque the wrench 'til you strip the threads on the chancre, then you back off about a quarter turn and pry the chancre off with a surgical flat-head screwdriver; "Wanker-spackle", another invention of mine that is also pending can then be used to fill the gaping hole left by the removal of the chancre. Remember, this will work only during the first stage of syphilis. The patent is pending; both items are being tested at the Academy and results are promising. Once I get my patent, I'm gonna call it the "Spiroclete" and have Billy Mays hawk it for me on TV like he does "Oxyclean". He's coming to a TV near you shouting: "Spirochlete, along with a year's supply of "wanker-spackle", only $19.95...but you must call NOW"! "We'll also throw in 'Gonorrhea Glue'- twice as strong as 'Gorilla Glue'! Call now while supplies last- 1-800-GET-SOME!!".   |
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Spiroclete.....HAHAHAHA that's F'n funny! Make sure to incorporate some sort of ratcheting mechanism on the wrench, it'll be a great selling point for Billy to push, and really what guy doesn't dig a ratchet? -Jeff
PS don't forget to mention the separate shipping charge on the wanker spackle! LOL! |
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Oh, seanbob... didn't you get beaten up bad enough last time you wandered into a post with that silliness? Jealousy will get you nowhere
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Jealousy could result in a chancre-the gift that keeps on givin'-if one isn't careful. I ain't implying anything! I'm just looking to make a profit off of my patent (see above)!  |
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