I've recently decided to go HS after a denied flight waiver. I have one question, if an HS was to get assigned to an air station, is there a chance that he would get to fly?

HS do fly at certain AIRSTA's. The issue would be what was the reason your flight waiver was denied? Looking at M6000.1C(Medical Manual). HS's who fly must meet the standards of a Designated Flight Officers. Which must meet all standards of a Class 2 flight officer.

7. Requirements for Class 2 Flight Officers.
a. Flight Officer Candidates. Flight officer candidates shall meet the standards
for Class 1 except that depth perception is not required.

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I've recently decided to go HS after a denied flight waiver. I have one question, if an HS was to get assigned to an air station, is there a chance that he would get to fly?

Ask, HSC Fly. Hell, he even changed his last name to "Fly"; it used to be "Walker", I think. Chris, can you shed some light on this?

On a more serious note, the first poster pretty much answerd your question; I was just trying to have some fun, sorry....

Again as always, you are killing me brother, killing me!

I was looking at the post you submitted previously. If you were denied for a waiver for Aeronautical Adaptability or your FS found not qualified, chances are you're going to get denied again BUT its worth trying again if you have a legitimate case. I know you were trying to go the aviation route but regardless of what rate you go and your desire is to fly, you must still be required to meet those standards. Just my two cents...
Nef

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Ask, HSC Fly. Hell, he even changed his last name to "Fly"; it used to be "Walker", I think. Chris, can you shed some light on this?

On a more serious note, the first poster pretty much answerd your question; I was just trying to have some fun, sorry....

(shakes head) George, George, George.....it must be a slow day in Petaluma. Don't quit your day job Brother!

I Don't wanna take up another topic with this. I was wondering what the probability of getting stationed at a busier unit such as an Air Station, or a unit that runs a medic truck (ex: Cape May, Kodiak, etc.) versus a sector clinic or other slower unit out of "A" School. I was looking at the open HS3 positions in Direct Access yesterday, and didn't see very many HS3 positions at all. I know it will change alot between now and the time I go to school but I just figured I'd ask the experts.

My guess is you were looking at "open" billets on DA, you have to check the box that says "show all billets" or something like that. There aren't a lot of units with ambulances left. Unless Kodiak got one after I left in '02, they only have a van with a streacher in it. I'm not sure what Petaluma's status with their's is at this point...I'm pretty sure the yard still has an active rig and maybe the academy and Cape May. Your best bet to do emergency medicine is going to be to go a unit that has flight Corpsman (Kodiak, Cape Cod, Sitka, etc) and get qualified OR try to get on with the local rescue squad/FD.
Good Luck,
HSC

Does the selection order still go by merit and performance in class? Or is it seniority/time in/sea time?

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Originally posted by Captaininsane24:
Does the selection order still go by merit and performance in class? Or is it seniority/time in/sea time?

Oh, Chief Elliot...what's the latest on this?

Just a thought here Tyler after reviewing some of your other posts from the last 60 days or so in which you've stated you want to be an AST, an AMT and now an HS . Are you interested in going HS because you have the desire to help people, have an interest in military healthcare, or want to use the training as a stepping stone to a post military career in healthcare? OR......are you only interested in the HS rating as some sort of back door way you think your gonna get yourself on an aircrew? Based on your posting history my opinion would be the latter. Be aware that there aren't that many billets for flight docs, and you very well may never get the oportunity to fly even if you were found fully qualified. As you've said in other posts you've been told you can't fly over a dozen times and have had your HQ flight waiver denied. If you are truly interested in healthcare then I wish you all the best in your pursuits to become an HS, If your interest lies toward a career in military aviation, do yourself and your future patients a favor and don't waste the HS school slot! -Jeff

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Originally posted by Captaininsane24:
Does the selection order still go by merit and performance in class? Or is it seniority/time in/sea time?

Oh, Chief Elliot...what's the latest on this?

all that PLUS sea time from previous unit. We are even changing the way the billet process goes.

Alright, up on my soap box. I have to agree with Jeff's post here. If you are only interested in the HS rating to try to find a loop hole to "fly", then don't waste the billett. There are pleanty of people waiting, (forever mind you) to get to school to persu a medical career.

As for flying. I am stationed here at Cape Cod, and it is the only Air Station that I have been at where there is an AMS program for the HS's here. It's awesome, no doubt about it.

As for ambulances...we are the only unit (I still believe) with a full staffed ACLS rig. We have paramedics on board 24/7. All the HS's here are ACLS and PALS certified. YOU HAVE TO BE A NATIONAL REGISTERED EMT to come here and stand duty.

It is a LONG process for you to get to the "qualed" status to fly too. Approx. 2 year process.

Hope this helps. Look me up and global if you have anymore questions!

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Originally posted by Coastydoc:
Alright, up on my soap box. I have to agree with Jeff's post here. If you are only interested in the HS rating to try to find a loop hole to "fly", then don't waste the billett. There are pleanty of people waiting, (forever mind you) to get to school to persu a medical career.

As for flying. I am stationed here at Cape Cod, and it is the only Air Station that I have been at where there is an AMS program for the HS's here. It's awesome, no doubt about it.

As for ambulances...we are the only unit (I still believe) with a full staffed ACLS rig. We have paramedics on board 24/7. All the HS's here are ACLS and PALS certified. YOU HAVE TO BE A NATIONAL REGISTERED EMT to come here and stand duty.

It is a LONG process for you to get to the "qualed" status to fly too. Approx. 2 year process.

Hope this helps. Look me up and global if you have anymore questions!

PO White you must know my buddy Chief Johnny Hughes if your up at A/S CC. He and I were stationed at the academy together back in the early 90's. GREAT GUY! If you wanna get a smile out of him, ask him if he remembers the "Mean Green" parties with Jeff Marshall, Jim Kieffer, and Dennis Hogan back in CT........oh and tell him Hi from Jeff! -Jeff

PO White you must know my buddy Chief Johnny Hughes if your up at A/S CC. He and I were stationed at the academy together back in the early 90's. GREAT GUY! If you wanna get a smile out of him, ask him if he remembers the "Mean Green" parties with Jeff Marshall, Jim Kieffer, and Dennis Hogan back in CT........oh and tell him Hi from Jeff! -Jeff[/QUOTE]

Jeff,
Chief John Hughes is here...he is a great guy. I will ask him about the "mean green" parties once he's back in the office.

Jodie White

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Originally posted by Captaininsane24:
I Don't wanna take up another topic with this. I was wondering what the probability of getting stationed at a busier unit such as an Air Station, or a unit that runs a medic truck (ex: Cape May, Kodiak, etc.) versus a sector clinic or other slower unit out of "A" School. I was looking at the open HS3 positions in Direct Access yesterday, and didn't see very many HS3 positions at all. I know it will change alot between now and the time I go to school but I just figured I'd ask the experts.

Bottom line here friend is this; You need to learn how to be an HS3 before you become a flight corpsman HS3. You don't become an HS3 without passing HS "A" School, EPME-4 and one or two other things coming down the pike.

It's good you are thinking ahead and asking questions, but know this; There are very few AirSta's out of "A" School and if you are smart enough to get through "A" School, and then lucky enough to get an AirSta billet, you are then going to a new clinic as the "new guy." There will be other HS3's and HS2's who have busted their hump to get flight skins, stood their watches, done the quals, etc. Stand in line and learn your job, but first come out to "A" school and get through me.

HSC Elliott
HS "A" Course Chief
PS. Hey Jodie!! How is the family?

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Alright, up on my soap box. I have to agree with Jeff's post here. If you are only interested in the HS rating to try to find a loop hole to "fly", then don't waste the billett. There are pleanty of people waiting, (forever mind you) to get to school to persu a medical career.

As for flying. I am stationed here at Cape Cod, and it is the only Air Station that I have been at where there is an AMS program for the HS's here. It's awesome, no doubt about it.

As for ambulances...we are the only unit (I still believe) with a full staffed ACLS rig. We have paramedics on board 24/7. All the HS's here are ACLS and PALS certified. YOU HAVE TO BE A NATIONAL REGISTERED EMT to come here and stand duty.

It is a LONG process for you to get to the "qualed" status to fly too. Approx. 2 year process.

Hope this helps. Look me up and global if you have anymore questions!

Jodie,
AS Cape Cod is a great unit but its the not the only unit that has an active AMS program. Alone, your unit has 2 HS3's that are AMS's and this should be a great incentive for those HS3's that have aspirations to fly. Albeit, they have to get qualified and have to get an approved PE.
As for our friend here and all those with aspirations of becoming an HS, get yourself through A School, work hard and prove yourself to the FS's at your unit (IF you get an AS) that you have what it takes to be an AMS. Should you be denied a waiver to fly, then be the best HS you can be regardless. Just my 2 cents.
Nef

Can someone help an old doc out with some terminology? What does "AMS" stand for...is it Aviation Medical Specialist or something? I don't recall that designation from back in my time. What are the qualifications for earning this designation? I was only fortunate enough to fly on a handful of occasions during the Hatian boatlift in 91, and my qualification process consisted of about 45 mins in the ASM shop, going over safety basics and egress procedures. Still got my fightsuit tho.....makes a great haloween costume these days! LOL! Happy Memorial Day to all the USCG HS's -Jeff

Rxjeff, and Coastydoc, I suppose the situation does deserve an explination. I was actually an NREMT-B, and a Texas commisioned (career certified) Firefighter prior to joining the Coast Guard. I had been volunteering since 16 y/o and ever since the first time I had an air medical helo land at a scene, and learned all of what it is they do, I have wanted to do it. I'm sure you have heard that not just anyone can be selected for this job, and flight experience, especially military is very prefered. In the worlds of Firefighting and EMS, you are very appealing if you are ex-military, and this also gets you some benefits such as extra points on civil service exams. This circumstance along with the benefits recieved from serving is what prompted me join the Coast Guard. Now, the first job I wanted to do was AST, because it appealed to me the most and let's not kid ourselves, looks good on a resume for what I want to do when I get out. However after speaking with a physician about prior injuries and the high probability of recurrance, not to mention how tight your balls have to be screwed on for that school, I then decided to pursue AMT because it would still put me in a helo, and I heard I could still get EMT qualified. The ultimate goal here was to provide rescue and healthcare from an aviation platform. HS has always been the rate I would choose if I couldn't do an aviation rate, and this being the case, I am now on the HS "A" School list. I ask if HS get to fly simply because I would enjoy it, and it would be beneficial to me. So in short, in order to make myself a more appealing candidate in the highly competetive job market of Fire/EMS, and Air Medical Services, and to obtain valuable skills and knowledge of a profession, and to fulfill personal goals, I am now anxiously awaiting orders to HS "A" School. I hope this has cleared up any confusion about my motives.

To Chief Elliot: Roger that Chief, and I fully intend to take no shortcuts, do my time,and be the best damn HS I can be. Look forward to seeing you at school. Good Day.

Happy and safe Memorial Day to everyone!

SN Cronin

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The ultimate goal here was to provide rescue and healthcare from an aviation platform. HS has always been the rate I would choose if I couldn't do an aviation rate, and this being the case, I am now on the HS "A" School list. I ask if HS get to fly simply because I would enjoy it, and it would be beneficial to me. So in short, in order to make myself a more appealing candidate in the highly competetive job market of Fire/EMS, and Air Medical Services, and to obtain valuable skills and knowledge of a profession, and to fulfill personal goals, I am now anxiously awaiting orders to HS "A" School. I hope this has cleared up any confusion about my motives.

To Chief Elliot: Roger that Chief, and I fully intend to take no shortcuts, do my time,and be the best damn HS I can be. Look forward to seeing you at school. Good Day.

Happy and safe Memorial Day to everyone!

SN Cronin

Well said my friend. Work hard and who knows, G-d willing, I may see your AMS PE come across my desk one day. Have a great weekend!
Nef