I noticed the Grunt forums don't get used very often.I'm surprised at how many views these threads get but no opinions or participation.It seems like us older Marines tend to drive the threads.Wheres all the young hardchargers?

Because alot of this sh*t is fucking stupid....

We got four fucking threads on dipsh*ts wanting to know about SOI. Jeez...let them find out when they get there--like I did. SOI isn't sh*t. Yeah, maybe some of the humps might hurt 'em, but everyone knows that nobody REALLY fails SOI.

Also:
"Hardchargers"? "Devil Dawgs"? C'mon man, nobody wants to read that moto trash....

Appolo what me and you might think is stupid might give some new Marine some insight.When a boot Marine ask about SOI it's just curiosity plus it's better than some of the lame crap on the general discussion board.
By the way you probably had one of those red satin Marine jackets in SOI yourself(don't try and deny it) so don't sh** on boot Marines asking questions.I ask questions to get feedback or info on current Marine Corps news.

Betio... You're right. As a "newer" Marine (5 yr 0311 SGT) I'll try and stop by here more often.

true a lot of Q's involve SOI or whatnot, but a simple question I guess we can always point an arrow to the answer, we don't have to give it (message to garcia anyone?)

Thanks for the heads up.

S/F

Like I said where the f+ck are all you grunts?

us grunts can't tipe

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Originally posted by betiostripe:
By the way you probably had one of those red satin Marine jackets in SOI yourself(don't try and deny it) so don't sh** on boot Marines asking questions.I ask questions to get feedback or info on current Marine Corps news.

OHHHHHH Fuck that sh*t. I NEVER owned one of those fashion abortions....

On a side note, I don't "sh*t" on boots. I just noticed that there were 4 separate fucking threads. I just would've preferred a more "streamlined" forum. Instead of 4 threads, the boots might have wanted to post in the first SOI thread since there were Marines who already posted there.

Anyway, I'm just getting a sick stomach reading all this moto "ooh-rah" "brotherhood bond forever" crap that Dean seems to be fond of spewing forth. All that crap means sh*t to me.

I'm proud of being a Marine, but Jesus, I don't allow that fact to define my entire existence.

Apollo you're gonna end up being one of those "closet lifers". You know spouting off how you hate all the Motto stuff till you’re in your late 50’s. Then you’ll wake up one morning, paint your house red and gold, plaster 300 bumper stickers on your car saying stuff like “happiness is a belt-fed weapon. You’ll start sport’in the high and stupid again, hanging out at the VFW or American Legion telling tall tales and war stories to the youngsters.

Deny it if you want, but you’ll see!!

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Originally posted by __Apollo__:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by betiostripe:
By the way you probably had one of those red satin Marine jackets in SOI yourself(don't try and deny it) so don't sh** on boot Marines asking questions.I ask questions to get feedback or info on current Marine Corps news.

No offense Appollo but I think the National Guard has brainwashed you.I'll tell you what go down to the USMC Herritage Museum and look at the "ORIGINAL FLAG THAT WAS RAISED ON IWO JIMA IN ITS CASE if that doesn't spark that fire you once had then I don't know what to tell ya.

OHHHHHH Fuck that sh*t. I NEVER owned one of those fashion abortions....

On a side note, I don't "sh*t" on boots. I just noticed that there were 4 separate fucking threads. I just would've preferred a more "streamlined" forum. Instead of 4 threads, the boots might have wanted to post in the first SOI thread since there were Marines who already posted there.

I never went in the NG and I feel almost the same as Apollo. I hated when SNCOs or NCOs would refer to Marines, myself in particular, as "hardcharger" or any other such bullsh/t motard name. I learned to hate being called "devildog", "devil" or any other variation of that while I was at ITB. It was just another name for recruit the way they said it. After ITB I don't think I ever heard a Marine called "devildog" that wasn't about to get his azz chewed for some petty bullsh/t like standing around with his hands in his pocket by some motard who thought sh/t like that was important.

I was a Marine Sgt and got out after 8 year. I find it hilarious that a lot of the motivator types on here were out after their first enlistment. If they thought being a Marine was so wonderful why did they get out. After I got to Diego Garcia one of the other new boots with me said "oohhraa" about something. A Cpl and LCpl walking by suggested that if he didn't want to get his azz kicked he wouldn't say it again. I'm proud of having been a Marine NCO and being a Marine, but my life doesn't revolve around what I did 4 years ago. I have a great job, a degree and two great kids.

Apollo already said he was proud of being a Marine. I don't see what else he needs to say besides that. Considering the length of time you've been on this site and haven't seen what else Apollo's posted I wonder who you think you are judging him. I'm not questioning your service, just saying lighten up.

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Originally posted by betiostripe:
By the way you probably had one of those red satin Marine jackets in SOI yourself(don't try and deny it) so don't sh** on boot Marines asking questions.I ask questions to get feedback or info on current Marine Corps news.

Mine was silver. Bought it out in Oceanside my first weekend LIBO. What a F-ing boot.

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Originally posted by PapaVictor:
I never went in the NG and I feel almost the same as Apollo. I hated when SNCOs or NCOs would refer to Marines, myself in particular, as "hardcharger" or any other such bullsh/t motard name. I learned to hate being called "devildog", "devil" or any other variation of that while I was at ITB. It was just another name for recruit the way they said it. After ITB I don't think I ever heard a Marine called "devildog" that wasn't about to get his azz chewed for some petty bullsh/t like standing around with his hands in his pocket by some motard who thought sh/t like that was important.

I was a Marine Sgt and got out after 8 year. I find it hilarious that a lot of the motivator types on here were out after their first enlistment. If they thought being a Marine was so wonderful why did they get out. After I got to Diego Garcia one of the other new boots with me said "oohhraa" about something. A Cpl and LCpl walking by suggested that if he didn't want to get his azz kicked he wouldn't say it again. I'm proud of having been a Marine NCO and being a Marine, but my life doesn't revolve around what I did 4 years ago. I have a great job, a degree and two great kids.

Apollo already said he was proud of being a Marine. I don't see what else he needs to say besides that. Considering the length of time you've been on this site and haven't seen what else Apollo's posted I wonder who you think you are judging him. I'm not questioning your service, just saying lighten up.

Nobodys judging anybody and yes if I could do it all over again I would have stayed a full twenty the time went by quick but I was young and partying was better than humping at Lejeune.My point was everytime a boot Marine ask a question wether or not we think it's stupid you gotta look back on how boot we were once.Look at recruits they have to be the dumbest things on two legs.Anyhow nobodys judging anybody and again the thread that was posted was about Marine 03's participation on the infantry boards.

Those questions have been asked and answered a million times. Why a Marine, even a boot Marine, can't show a little initiative and find the answer is focking pathetic. Rugger 11 even mentioned the book on the Commandants reading list, one Pvts and PFCs are expected to read, that deals with this kind of sh/t.

heh the message to garcia thing, while totally true, lets just say I have an AWESOME libo story involving one of my young Marines (boots) and some girls, unfortunately in today's PC world I will keep it to myself... But The story is a good one and one I adopted for my squad. (encouraging initiative to find the answer for themselves... but I always pointed them in the right direction first, and would help if they couldn't get it)

As far as the rediculous motivation goes... I have differing opinions. I do hate fake motivation when it is belligerent. Wearing dogtags outside the shirts on libo, wearing full red USMC jumpsuits out in town.. etc etc that all is not cool in my book. Besides, as Marines we should preach OPSEC and Force Protection. A screaming high and tight, a bright USMC shirt and an arrogant attitude is a recipe for a fight in most any bar in the world, and I feel as leaders we should discourage such practice.

However, I feel pride every day that I put on my uniform. I love being a Marine, and while it doesn't define my life as a whole, it is a huge part of it. I get tired too of hearing some higher ups calling me "hardcharger". But I think you all know the difference between someone who spouts that stuff off all the time and a good leader who occasionally calls you a motivator when you do a great job at something. Big difference there.

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Originally posted by betiostripe:
No offense Appollo but I think the National Guard has brainwashed you.I'll tell you what go down to the USMC Herritage Museum and look at the "ORIGINAL FLAG THAT WAS RAISED ON IWO JIMA IN ITS CASE if that doesn't spark that fire you once had then I don't know what to tell ya.

I'm not brainwashed (especially not by the nasty guard), I just have enough world experience to realize that the MC is NOT the "end-all, be-all warfighting machine above all others, period".

Yeah, the USMC's got a lot of history, but I sometimes tend to think that we borrow from our ancestors a little too much. Lots of lifers think that because the CORPS took IWO that it makes THEM cool as well. I call bullsh*t on that.

Its all too easy to think that because there were alot of hard-dick mother fuckers back in WWII that, by default, YOU are hard too. You have to prove to the world that YOU have what it takes personally to keep that "bad-assness" alive. Whether it be on IWO or in the streets of Fallujah. Don't ever think that your brothers fight makes you just as tough. Lots of lifers think that way. Train yourself to be a bad ***, don't depend on other people to uphold that standard for you.

The Marine Corps is the Marine Corps; the Army is the Army. Both are full of people that train pretty much the same way. Its the individuals within the group that make one "better" than the other. Its also just as easy to become deluded and lose it all because you overestimated your own abilities (read: Motardness).

However, I am proud to have been a member of an organization that has been kicking-ass, screwing women, and inflicting horrific lead-filled death upon enemies of America for the past 231 years. Did I uphold the standard that so many before me set? I don't know....only they could tell me for sure. There's only one place I could go to ask them, and I'm not planning on going there anytime soon.

But yeah, lifers suck Mexican stinky-balls.

Apollo, what are you really so ticked off about? You're a good man who is obviously carrying something. You know as well as we do theres no room in a infantry unit for anyone who isn't totally locked into the Brotherhood because you'll never know if he'll cover your azz when shiat hits the fan.

If you don't see threads you like, you can always start a new one and entitle it so only veteran grunts are welcome to post without "moto" or "lifer" style writing. You always have options and choices.

TR you're absolutely right. I bought the red satin jacket in my 40's and bellied up to the VFW bar where I wore it for a minute until I realized it was time to let it all go. Now it's gathering dust in the bottom of the closet and I have no inclination to wear it since I made my peace with it all. I guess it's all part of the natural growth process for bitter and disenfranchised or vets simply just wanting to show their pride in where they served.

So Deano-
I could never wear one of those jackets
But I have recently had a resurgence of "boot motovation". I think due to my leaving the grunts and missing it. Apollo - you're right, the REAL grunts (ie SOI is a distant memory) have no place for thae kind of crap. But that in and of it's self is a kind of "moto". A general group mentality that is ever present in any 03XX Bn. I lat-moved, I'm now a pouge, and I miss that non-moto motivation.

Semper

I'm not ticked off about anything, sorry if it comes across that way.

I tend to take a very pragmatic approach to the military. I also am very skeptical of anything that requires me to accept anything or anyone based on the fact that they wear the same uniform as me.

My "Brotherhood" is between me and my friends that I've served with. Past that, I take people on a case-by-case basis. However, I do tend to give preference to former Marines for obvious reasons.

The axe that I have to grind is the one that I've had since I was a PFC. Lifers that espouse brotherhood and camraderie -- while simulateously NJPing a good Marine for drinking underage or something else just as stupid. They're EVERYWHERE in the Corps. Just look at what those lawyer "Marines" were doing to those guys in the Haditha case.....

This is a contradiction for being a Marine, IMO. There is no brotherhood for people to act that way. I'll be damned if I try and stick my neck out for some dude that hammers a PFC or LCPL when they don't deserve it. Fuck what the law says, we're MARINES. And we stick together, that is what should be paramount.

I could write more on this subject, but I'll leave it at that.

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.....Lifers that espouse brotherhood and camraderie -- while simulateously NJPing a good Marine for drinking underage or something else just as stupid....

Great point. We were a lot beter off when you could "take it to the berm". The CO / NJP route was only taken in desperate, or hopeless situations.

I hear you and totally agree. When they came out with the page eleven process BS I was shocked. The sncos did the exact same thing when they were junior enlisted so they had no justification or right to hammer the next generation for doing what we all did. It's totally unacceptable leadership, uncalled for unfair treatment and a total morale buster.

Thats what happens when snco's are more concerned for making themselves look good than taking care of their men. Everyone of those rat bas#ards needs to be taken behind the barracks and reminded they're not just responsible for their men, they equally as responsible to them! If they can't see that, they need to pack it in and get the frick out so real Marine SNCO's can step up and do the job right.

I ain't mad at ya Apollo, I'm totally down with you. We all are.