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I can't believe the Corps hasn't changed the pft except for the crunches.I still don't know why a swim/distance isn't part of the pft after all we are amphibious and get a number of Marines who can't swim at all.I would say a pft should consist of a run,distance swim,and rope climbs timed.Any opinions.
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leave the PFT alone, it has worked well for dozens of years, why change it now?
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Why change it lets see even when i was in bootcamp some recruits were acting like little girls when thrown in the pool.Even our guide who was a football player panicked beyond belief.And i'm still hearing about morons who join the Corps and can't swim.At the very least should be able to float.You wouldn't join Army Airborne being afraid of heights. |
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Hey we had girls that couldn't swim in boot, but they got send down to the shallows to learn. They had to at the very least be able to jump off that 10 ft tower and do what a 3rd class could do. If they had to stay at the pool past the week we were there, they had to go to a later platoon.
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Can't kip on the pullups anymore...
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requireing a swim qual for the PFT is just plain stupid.
for starters I doubt there are enough pools availiable for the whole Marine corps. Also, we are not sending Marines to storm beaches anymore so your analagy is flawed from the git go. I speant 2 years on Sea Duty and in that whole time I never got my boot wet from sea water. |
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It's not wether we storm the beaches it's about hardcore conditioning.i'm just saying we would make the physical part a little harder than crunches.Or at the very least any 03 should be required to do a Recon type of swim qual seeing how some Marines look forward to joining Marine Recon. |
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Also as far as storming beaches.How do you think Marines are going to assault Iran when the time comes to take care of them.
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Well seeing as how we have troops on both sides of the country we might just move some of them. And I know there are no Marines in Afghanistan but who says we wouldn't put some in there before we make the move.
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I have an a-hole, and consequently an opinion on this subject as well...
I think that a swim included in the PFT is a hell of an idea.  One of the better ideas I've heard in a while...We don't just run into water while storming beaches, which quite frankly is an antiquated way of conducting warfare, at least in it’s literal/historical application. I cannot count the number of times we ran into water, in the jungle, desert, or wherever. Just because the ocean is not close does not mean we will not have to deal with the water, during stream crossing etc… There were several times when a Marines inability to swim, or in all actuality, his fear of water, subtracted from our unit moral as well as our combat effectiveness. I think the water should be viewed as an asset, a combat multiplier if you will… The ability to operate on the water, or from the water, greatly multiplies combat effectiveness… Human beings, in a general sense are uncomfortable in the water. Being able to operate effectively, while using it as a tool/resource multiplies combat effectiveness by demoralizing the enemy, making them have to watch not only the ground in front of them, but the body of water at their backs. We can hide in/under the water, but they cannot hide as effectively, (Generally speaking) on the ground. Furthermore, having Marines as comfortable in the water, as on the land makes water bodies, like lakes, stream, and rivers, less an obstacle, and more of an asset… |
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My opinion dump the crunches and pull ups I think a run/timed obstacle course/or just a timed rope climb/climbs and some kind of swim qual. |
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I think they need to incorprate a hump as part of the PFT. Not a long one maybe a 10-15 miler instead of the run. In the 12 1/2 years I was in I saw alot of the Marines that ran in the 16:00-18:00's were dropping out of the humps. I believe humping takes more endurance than a 3 mile run anyway and I think it's just more realistic. Just my opinion.
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I think they need to incorprate a hump as part of the PFT. Not a long one maybe a 10-15 miler instead of the run. In the 12 1/2 years I was in I saw alot of the Marines that ran in the 16:00-18:00's were dropping out of the humps. I believe humping takes more endurance than a 3 mile run anyway and I think it
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When General Gray became Commandant, there was speculation that the old PRT would be reinstated. Every company in my battalion did some sort of mock PRT at the time.
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Hell yeah.
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How true but that would require the Pogue's to break out there Duece gear for something besides an inspection. Some maybe able to run like the wind but put a 50lb ruck on your back and run |
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We did alot of jungle, swamp, water to island and river crossings, never did we have to jog across the water as in a training senario,
With the gear and waterproofing, when we hit a island we had a few minutes to drain and straighten out gear to be combat effective. Maybe a few times you can surprise an enemy with a small recon of Marines, but a large unit in the water makes as much noise as a grunt unit in the woods. All this sounds good, but in reality it's a logistig nightmare to pull off over and over as a regular routine. Unless we have to battle an Island country in a low tech fashion as in WW2/Korea. Small Units will do the major water crossings and large Grunt units will fly or take Rb's across a big drink. I'd hate to be in the water when the enemy spots us, no matter if we all swim like fish, it's ducks in the water, fish in a barrel, it's a clusterphlubbermess. You watch animals, the attackers always drive the prey to the water of an easy kill. Read about spanish Commander Desoto driving mighty warrior indian foes in florida into water, waiting as the indians tread water, become tired and drown. |
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If modern warfare requires a Marine to jump off a boat and swim for the shore--sidestroking, backstroking--with a full combat load, meaning with SAPIs, something has probably gone seriously wrong. Motivating as it might be, the Marine Corps is a little more resourceful than it was when we were saving Private Ryan.
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A swim in the pft is dumb. PFT is fine. As for weak swimmers isn't that what swim qual is for. Also if you have week swimmers I thought that was the job of an NCO; to train your Marines and if that means taking your weak swimmers to the pool than that's what you do.
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That's exactly what I did, I have no idea how he got through boot, but that boy would put his foot in water and damn near Sheet himself. It took me a month to get that kid up to speed. |
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