The main difference between the marine corps and army infantry units, is the discipline towards NCO'S and STAFF NCO'S.
Discipline period not just Sncos and Ncos.
If you ask me its just two different worlds entirely with no putdown to the other branch/branches
Back during the early days of the war an Army SPECOPS WO told us a story of how insane a Marine PFC was for staying in position in a blazing sun between two hangers. Turns out the Devil was super thirsty and the Army kept trying to get him to come into the shade and hydrate. He just grinned and said he'd drink when his Gunny who put him there relieved him and then resumed his prone firing position on watch. We Devils just smiled at the WO's puzzled look when he said he admired the Marine but didn't understand why he didn't come in for water.
Nice first post dipzhit. I'm gonna give you some room for now.
By the way it's Marine Corps and Army!
If you're gonna shoot, shoot! Don't Talk.
Yep it's the bi-yearly USMC vs. Army infantry post!
Its not the two groups having it out....it always begins with some retard posting some over-the-top ridiculous opinion that they present as a "fact" and everyone else jumping on the wagon and contributing their worthless 2 cents to a subject they know next-to-nothing about.
Eventually the thread degenerates into two people slinging historical facts to each other about each other's services' war record. In the end nothing gets accomplished or resolved and it turns into nothing more than an emotional pizzing match between two old has-beens from both services.
I'm sorry, but until you've been in BOTH services, you don't know what you are talking about....because when you have been in both you start to realize that there are more similarities than differences.
If you are talking Rangers or Airborne there is a comparison, regular Army leg units,FORGET IT!!
Wow, slow down Brothers, it ain't that serious. I totally agree that an American Grunt is an American Grunt. We all have to recognize that we merely have different missions which reflects our different cultures as well as TTPs. No big as every Grunt who's ever served has always been welcome here so as the old saying goes "Can we all just get along?" Ha ha ha, couldn't resist that one! Semper Fi!
Well...One Infantry man will be promoted faster and therefore get paid more sooner, the other won't....Hence the rigid indoctrination to keep them in line
I'm sorry but there are only 3500 Members of the 75th Ranger Regiment, and that includes support....An almost insulting comparison...
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I've heard the Ranger Comparison made before and it's laughable.
You need to check out the physical requirements for RIP and compare them to Marine Boot before you embarass yourself further in public. I posted them at the top of the Army Wannabe Forum "Option 40".
Those are requirements only to enter the 75th Ranger Regiment NOT to complete Ranger training. Underneath the Ranger RIP link is a link to the actual Ranger School which allows you to wear the tab.....you might want to read through that it's way more advanced then anything the Marine Corps offers it's regular troops (excludes MARSOC).
In regards to Army Airborne vs Army regular leg unit.....what is your experience there exactly?
I thought the 2nd Armored Division (FWD) was more demanding then the 101st Airborne in discipline and in work tasks. So I think your frame of comparison there is based more on urban legend then fact. 2AD was just South of Bremerhaven, Germany which was a Navy port of call......there were some Marines there.
I think this Army vs Marines argument does not occur as much in real life as it does on the Internet. I think it's overdone as well.This message has been edited. Last edited by: ErichG2,
The difference is that USMC infantry are able to attack from the air, land or sea. The amphibious part is signifcant to the Corps. I cannot speak for Army infantry units. I have not trained with them. In the end, I know there are many on both sides who have passed the real test which is unadulterated combat. In reality, the bubble or wings won't save you from getiing hit. Being a Marine from Desert Storm 1991, I know that my regiment was picked to be the tip of the spear for 2nd Mar Div. We also had hte Tiger brigade on our flanks.
Generally true and while I haven't been in either version of the infantry I do know this is true. See... there are other ways to know.
Now, having said that, if you are going to discuss the Army infantry (or any other branch), the Army (or any other branch) is always welcomed to participate in the discussion. It is like sending out a personal invite. We will not talk behind their backs and they are given the green light to rebutt. Keep that in mind, when you begin to compare other branches to the Marines.
I did a little amphibious training as an Army Infantryman (in Korea), but most of what we did focused on helicopters. Remember that the USMC are not the only ones who've made amphibious landings in combat - and neither branch has done one since Inchon.
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Iraq was the death of Amphibious training for the Marine Corps. Case in point, I did a MEU in 2006 and our BLT did not do a single training evolution in which we took an enemy beach, or much less landed on one. All the training was focused on Fast Ropping and helo raids because we were helo company and Iraq related stuff like room clearing, IEDs and mounted patrols.
I believe the Marines that landed at Da Nang in '65 did so amphibiously and even though they did not meet resistance, they did expect to and were prepared for such. Just FYI.
I'm pretty sure that the Corps will continue training for amphib assaults once the current situations die down.
We will train to win and that is the bottom line!
Not sure but I think Marines also landed on the beach at Grenada and Somalia. My point was nobody's done it under heavy fire since 1950. The Army's only done about six combat parachute drops since Vietnam, and only on two or three of those were the jumpers taking any serious ground fire.
Still, while both methods of insertion are considered "obsolete" by some people, our fighting troops need to keep training on them for the rare occasion when it will be needed.
Hooah, Ooh-Rah, Infantry all the way!
I was in Somalia and though we mostly helo'ed in from ship, I know that Marines did get their boots wet there. When we did use landing crafts, we did so at a concrete pier. But you are correct. "We" (infantry) all need to be a Jack-of-all-trades in this biz of fighting wars. I agree completely.
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