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I've been reading alot about the Armys Strykers and how they are becomming the future of the Army(light and mobile).Now correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that what the Light Armored Recon is and it's been around since the 80's.My point is we Marines catch **** about our dated gear.But I really think Army likes to copy us.
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By the way I remember using CH-46's in the FMF and that was in the early 90's(and those were used in Vietnam)and they are still being used.I guess when you are not given a big budget you do what you can with what you have.
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The difference with it all is yes you have it correct!!!
Corps surplus 1 Rest of the branches surplus 10. Yes I hate to hear em cry etc but if you took the facts into concept we are more adept in our training ways than others. Marines in my book have always worked with 2nd rate gear etc but thats what makes us who we are regardless of what they say!! We may be small we may be less provided but WE WILL OVER COME AND ADAPT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES regardless of what they think etc!!! I am not here to put down anyone but yet I will not be bashed etc and I am proud today that most branches realize who we are etc. When it comes to the SF community we all respect each other when push comes to shove honestly. |
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Yes and no.
The LAV was developed FOR the Army. The Army saw it and said no. It happened to meet all the requirements the Marine Corps had for a new vehicle. Light armored. fast moving. heavy firepower. amphibious. capable of moving troops. So we got it. The Stryker is NICE but it's not an LAV. With the new armor kits the LAR battalions are getting, the new turret, and the point and lase targetting system, in my personnel opinion at least, the LAV is still a far superior platform. Sure it doesn't have AC like the stryker does, but the vehicles are almost the same in every other way. But the LAV has a much bigger/powerful gun, is amphibious, has stronger armor, and has an actual turret. God, I miss LAR. |
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LAREthan, your correct, it was developed for the army, but they went with the Bradley instead. I was part of the final test in the mid 80's at Ft. Hunter-Liggett, we ripped the army dog's new azzholes!  They told us it was only the second time any armour unit beat them.They are currently uparmouring the LAV, which they sorely need with the IED's over there. LAREthan, I sent you a PM over at the Squad Bay, did you get it? |
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F-yeah! I posted something worthy of a temporary position at the top of the forum! |
Sorry to intrude in the Infantry forum, but I feel a sense of entitlement since I went to MCT. Actually, I saw "Stryker" and felt the need to comment.
All I have to contribute is second-hand knowledge: my stepbrother was once with a Bradley unit before he was given command of a Stryker company and deployed. According to him, Strykers are nearly useless. He tried to distance himself from them and still has a great amount of disdain for Strykers. Yeah, Take this for what you will. Personally, I don't know enough to have an opinion. |
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Yeah I just checked and got your message LAVGuy. I'll have to check that place out. Looks promising.
And right as I left 2nd LAR (3 months ago) they were starting to switch all the vehicles over to the new uparmor. The new drive train and whatnot is supposed to keep it running just as fast and strong with the weight of the new armor. I heard it's not amphibious AT ALL now though. |
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LAREthan, your correct, it was developed for the army, but they went with the Bradley instead. I was part of the final test in the mid 80's at Ft. Hunter-Liggett, we ripped the army dog's new azzholes! They told us it was only the second time any armour unit beat them.
They are currently uparmouring the LAV, which they sorely need with the IED's over there. LAREthan, I sent you a PM over at the Squad Bay, did you get it? Posts: 289 | Registered: Fri 26 January 2007 Hey LAVGuy, I was one of the Army dog guys you "tore a new azzhole" I'm sure you were kidding. I am not coming here on your board to start a pizzing contest either, that is inappropriate. And I do not recall anyone thinking or saying you beat us at anything. No disrespect intended. Some "trials" you did win, some you did not and some you could flip a coin over. Anyway, I was part of all those trials at the Liggett zone. I just got there from Ft Bragg about 2 months before the trials ended. In my opinion, I liked the old APC's best. Although they required a whole bunch more maintenance than the LAV and they do not swim anywhere near as well as the LAV. The LAV is a good piece of equipment for USMC and given what I read in the paper today, I don't think the Army is 100% happy with the stryker. I think sometimes the LAV would've been a good purchase for the Army too. At the very least, if both the Army and USMC used the same equipment it might bring down the cost of some stuff. Although, defense contractors would probably keep slapping it to the military as usual. Now having been to the Liggett Zone I can say during the LAV testing there sure seemed to me to be a lot of flat "puncture proof" tires on those LAVs being tested. I hope that got straightened out. |
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kb325, not intended as an insult, just going with what we were told by the CO.
I dont think they ever said they were "puncture proof", but that they were run flats, plus we got to to the point we could plug a simple hole and air back up in almost no time. |
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LAVGuy, I'm sure your CO said that and he may have gotten that from my CO. It doesn't matter, and you did have some pretty damn good Marines there. I got to Ft H. Liggett late in the testing and from what I was told, once you guys got used to the roads, terrain etc you were very effective. I still remember you guys doing PT where we treated it like field time and did not do PT. Coming from an Airborne unit that was okie doke with me. I have to tell you, when I got there from the 82nd Airborne and saw the rag tag rag bag soldiers in my new company I had my doubts these guys were much. But they were pretty good at what they did. That is really the only mechanized experience I ever had. So can't say much about that part of the Army. I ETS from the Army 5 month and 1 day after I got there.
One quick story for ya...one day in the morning trial appearently there was something wrong with the equipment on my APC where I took out 2 or 3 LAVs but for some reason they couldn't kill my APC. We took off heading out of the AO, well the Marines on one of the LAVs got mad cuz they thought we did something to keep the computer from shutting us down cuz they thought they had the kill, well they came down hill in thier LAV at a pretty good rate of speed and rammed our APC. Thankfully it was a glancing blow becauce I was sitting on the back hatch of the APC hanging on by a canvas strap. It still put the hurt to my right shoulder. |
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Oh, snap! I remember that now, wasnt my platoon, but hell we were so small it didnt matter, everyone knew everyone else.
Yeah, we thought you guys were putting your covers over the sensors, cause we'd catch one of yours dead to rights out in the open and just blazing away, and you'd just keep chugging away. Needless to say, we all got a stern lecture from the old man. My story, towards the end of the testing, one day my platoon got cut off and over ran so we advanced to a more secure position to the rear. I'm driving, were hauling baIIs and they have the turret to the rear watching. Were coming up to a road, something didnt look right so I holler at the Sgt to check it out. He turned and looked, shouted "brake!!!!!!!!!!" Found out there was a huge wash along the side of the road, hit it at about 40, busted the 2 front tires off, tore up the steering, all three of us had crack's in our helmets from slamming into that rut. |
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Kinda did the same thing with an APC. Not while you guys were there but later that summer. I was driving the APC across a field that looked pretty flat to me with a squad of infantry in the back. Well there was this depression in the ground I did not see and I hit it hard. It felt like we hit a wall. Well the trac commander yells "dismount", which they all did except for thier squad leader. I think he got a couple of broken ribs out it. That was the last time they let me drive an APC except for down at the motor hole. |
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