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I'm in Iraq right now, so I don't know what's going on at Camp Pendleton, but there's always been a lot of talk about the Marine Corps slowly ousting the 0351 MOS. How much truth is there to the rumor, and does anyone know how 0351s are being trained at SOI nowadays?
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There were a couple 51's in our last bootdrop so I don't think anything major has changed.
Where did you hear they were getting phased out? |
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I was an 0351 back in the early '80s. The MOS is geared towards a tank heavy enemy. Their use now would seem to be along the lines of heavy support. I don't see their need diminishing at a line company level.
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Who were you with back in the 80's? I was a dragon gunner with wpns co., 1/6 from 84-87 (although I skated toward the end of my tour when I got "volunteered" to become the BnCo's jeep driver). I sure hated humping that empty tube with the weight inside it. It was alot easier without the weight, hee hee!  |
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It almost seems MOS' in general are getting pushed aside. Everyone is cross-training, everyone is doing more 0311 and 0331. 41's and 51's never do ranges and certainly don't do anything MOS related in Iraq anymore.
I'm starting to see a lack of specific infantry jobs anyway. Everyone should be cross-trained from the start. |
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you mean like the Army>?
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I didn't know the Army worked like that. I just don't see the logic in MOS-specific Infantry Marines anymore.
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I was with Dragons 2/6 from 82 until 87 with the exception of 6 months with 1/8 in Beirut when I crossed deck at the end of the 2/6 deployment and stayed in country with 1/8. We chewed some of the same dust, however. |
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Damn, Those days seem like forever ago. I wish that I had gotten some of my close buddies address's and phone #'s before I got out to stay in touch, but when ya got "short" and was within weeks of getting out, collecting phones #'s was the last thing on your mind. |
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I am a 0352 Instructor the 0351's are right accross the hall from us they aren't doing away with them they just revamped them doing alot more demolitions and breeching with hooligan tools etc. They are bringing back armor Id for them as well the 51's haven't been doing that for the last few year's. So no they aren't phasing them out. Also the 0352's took over the Javalin fire and forget system as well so the 51's just have demo and smaw and their breching tools oh and APOBS
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Alright. Then it hasn't changed much since I was there a year and a half ago. When I went through, 52s were doing Tows and Javs and studying armor ID. It'd probably help 51s to study the same, especially since it's covered in Division Schools. I'm not sure if 51s still have a Div Schools course anymore, though. Thanks. |
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im in iraq too and all the guys here keep talking about how theyre phasing out the 51's. the rumor just gets worse what with the freakishly high cutting score to pick up (and closed out the month of april no less). it doesnt make sense to me to phase out 51s. if anything why not 52s? ive never seen a truck here with a TOW system up top. 51s do demo and urban breaching, and even tho theres not alot of that going on, it is still a good asset to have in a line platoon.
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I was in the Corps from 1979-1983 and my primary MOS was 0351. When I hit 2/6, we really didn't have a roll. We were usually assigned as an extra ammo man for the M60's.
In fact, in my third year I was an M60 gunner, and during my last year, I was deployed to Beirut where I was an 0341 60mm mortar gunner. There was a big reenlistment push for the 0351's while I was there, manuly because I think they were looking for dragon and tow personell. |
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With the exception of 11s and 31s, MOSs obscure based on operational needs of whatever war the Corps is fighting at any particular time. 52s have rightfully picked up the antiarmor mission which frees 51s for more direct combat roles.
Look for 51s to have increasing roles with the new soft launch rocket systems in more open warfare which will of course require more traditional training. Right now you're in an urban environment so expect the next one to be in the open or at least you'll have firepower more suited for urban combat as a direct result of lessons learned from this one. The more things change, the more they stay the same. It's a never ending revolving cycle of pre-war, war, post war. 51's live up to the name Assaultmen so they will be around as long as there are Marine Infantry because the role will never go away. And for the record, there has never been anything "support" about being an Assaultman. |
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51's have always been breacher's, My time was with 3.5 Rockets and LAAWS even trained and assigned as flame thrower section also.
The big tank killer then was the 106 RR on an M-151 or Mule. There was some article I read in the Marine Gazette that was all for changing the name from Assaultman to Breacher I don't know where that went though. weapons and tools change the mission stays the same, punch a hole in a wall or tank set things on fire and kill enemies. During my time the term was 0351 Anti-tank assaultman. |
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We called it that too. Was always really cool to take rockets and a gun team out with us as it really enhanced our firepower. Each squad member carried a 3.5 round and a 100rd mg assault pouch to increase the teams ammo.
No one liked flamethrowers because they were so limited in use as the heavy sucker only had five matches in the cylinder to ignite only nine seconds of fuel. We used to trade off to keep the gunners from becoming heat casualties and it was a real beast when you tried to run with it. We could drop 40mm willie pete rounds on the same target for a fraction of the weight so we dropped flames like a hot potatao. The 106 crews used to bet on who could hit what with the 50 cal spotting rounds and we 11's used to jump in on the action. Some of the Bros had real skills and would win us a six pack everytime. Needless to say we always hooked the gunner up big time which kept the Devil in beer and us happy to keep winning. Semper Fi! |
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The "Flame Throwers" of the 80s were actually a rocket launched version. It was a bulky, square box and I thank God to this day that I never had to put one on my shoulder and wait to see if my head was going to remain attached to my shoulders. |
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The flame throwers of the 80's was the MPFW or Multi-Purpose Flame Weapon. I only saw an inert model when I went through MOS school at Geiger in 1980.
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The 106 RR was a terror on the mule. Beehive rounds were awesome...
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