I get out Jan 16, 2010. I'm a TL in a Recon team on the thirty-worst MEU. This is my second MEU and I have NO combat deployments. ****ing Recon team leader, sniper, enlisted in a time of war...no combat. I am more than willing to extend for some sort of combat, but refuse to re-enlist for fear of running into the same horse**** deployments. How the Hell does this happen? I should have been a whiny, quitter, ****bag, because apparently doing everything right only gets you left on the side lines. Thanks Marine Corps, for jack ****. I hope some CO or 1st Sgt gets ****ing brained because he brought a bunch of betas to the fight.

Sincerely,
Sgt Scott Hartmann

Furthermore, does anybody know how feasible it is to try and extend and move over to a STA platoon?

Damn dude, I sorta feel your pain. I enlisted in 2005 only to pick up fallen tree after hurricaine katrina, do a bullshit MEU just getting drunk in the Med and Iraq aka Candyland in 2007.

I'd ask the career planner if I could get orders to extend and go somewhere else like Lejuene or Pendleton

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EAS, and then call the Prior Service Recruiter a month later and tell him you want to deploy with the next Grunt unit leaving for A-stan.

Who the **** are you calling a "beta" is what I want to know? I understand you're in Recon and all that secret squirrel horsecrap....congratulations. It's a tough achievement and my hat goes off to you...but you come near a Victor unit spewing that garbage and you'll get jackjawed.

I was saying that more in context of a 3D Recon unit, and was aiming at those sub-par Marines I've SEEN fail and KNOW are incompetent asvab waivers. It was certainly not a hit on any other specific unit, especially the grunts. And it's not that tough anymore, which is a reason for its downfall. So relax man.

Hartmann0321

hit me up in email

my email address is

james.rogers0317@yahoo.com

i got some questions for you, i never come onto this website much so hit me up at that email adress and ill write back to you.

In response to the Recon Marine on combat deployment. I am assuming you are looking to be baptised in the fire of combat. All I can say is that be careful what you ask for. Having served with 1/6 Cold Steel during Desert Storm 91 I experienced 3 days of off and on combat. Just by chance our regiment was the tip of the spear for 2nd Mar Div. After taking life up close it is not like what one might think it would be like. At any rate, during the late 80's and 90's the fleet Marines I served with were tough as nails. On a lighter side we used to call recon just glorified grunts. In the end, the bubble and wings don't exclude a Hound from taking one for the team. Semper Fi bro.

Yeah man, maybe I should consider myself lucky, but it's hard as Hell being in this institution without having actually done a job. I still feel awkward calling people boots because essentially, I still am one. All I know is training, and it ****es me off. I know some retards that have been, and some, even less capable, that are going soon. I guess it all makes sense if you use the illogical decision making process that I've come to expect from the Marine Corps. **** it though, four years is all the Corps gets, just wish I could have helped.

I have been out for awhile but it seems that Recon and Force maybe aren't used like they should be. I believe that the Recon Marines should be utilized in doing the necessary raids or black ops that the Army SF or Seals do. My brther in law served with 2/1 Echo as a ssgt and said a lot of the SF teams or seals only wanted high risk missions.I told him they should have had them kicking in doors and securing built up areas. I have found that it sure isn't about glory or medals but the brother next to you. On a final note, deep down inside I did want to know if I could pass the test and I did but not without God's hand of protection. I would not be here if it weren't for the almighty. At any rate, Keep up the training and as you know the more we sweat in peacetime the less we bleed in war. Semper Fi.

I'm sure I'll get alot of flack for this but **ck it. If you really want to deploy, get out go into the Army and go SF. You will definately get to deploy if you go that route. I have a friend who did just that and absolutely loves it. I have yet to meet someoe who was Army SF and did not love it.

Here's my email if you want to know more. blanchardaa@cwu.edu

Hartman, when are you rotating back to the world? You can always extend for a year or two once you hit first or second recon battalion. Just don't go to separation center because all they'll do is cut you loose to 1st Civ Div.

CW .. recruiting for Army SOF are we? In a Marine Barracks no less? Wow ... turned the Brother's head with butter bars ... wow ...

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Originally posted by Deanosaur:
Hartman, when are you rotating back to the world? You can always extend for a year or two once you hit first or second recon battalion. Just don't go to separation center because all they'll do is cut you loose to 1st Civ Div.

I was given Whiskey 95 orders and am EASing from island. Two year contract turned into just under three. I've been talking to my gunny and the 1st sgt, and both tell me I'm SOL. They say the Corps is trying to cut its numbers right now so unless I want to reenlist, extensions...which I'm all for...are out of the question. I'm thinking this is B.S. because a couple other guys in my platoon jumped the chain of command and went to the MEF Sgt Major who is taking their request much farther than ours did. They had less time to extend to meet their one year requirement to rotate back to the sates...I wish I'd had known that they won't let you leave this dump with under a year left, or else I would have refused to go on this retarded MEU and would have hung around battalion until I reached my rotation date. I would have made it back to 1st for their Afghan deployment, or at least have been in a position to go with 3D on theirs. I don't really want to get out right now, but they're leaving me no choice.


cwubullrider...I'll probably hit you up in a few months. I've already been considering it.

Thanks for all the replies, this **** frustrates the Hell out of me.

At least I didn't reenlist and extend two years on this island to be part of the current Force company. They've been tasked out to the 31st MEU...another total waste of assets.

So I was just over at the bank eavesdropping on some guys talking about how one just got back from Afghanistan with RCT3 and another is going...a third POG was there talking about his time too. Wha wha wha there wasn't anything there....it's going to suck... They were taking about who gets selected for these RCTs...only four 03's out of the bunch that are going...rest are all admin types, cooks, etc.

Now, how the **** are these people going when there is a platoon of Recon Marines that have worked together for over a year and a half....who would extend without hesitation..every last one of them....for as long as they had to just to go fight, that is about to be disbanded. GUys are being forced out, forced to go to instructor billets...guys that haven't deployed to combat as recon marines are going to instruct at BRC...what the Hell.

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Originally posted by Deanosaur:
CW .. recruiting for Army SOF are we? In a Marine Barracks no less? Wow ... turned the Brother's head with butter bars ... wow ...

Okay let me explain. Obviously the Marine Corps isn't giving him what he wants. It's not making him happy. He obviosly loves his line of work and wants to do his job. So if one corporation (The Marine Corps) isn't giving him what he wants then why not go to another corporation (Army SOF)?

Even though I've never met Hartmann before I'd rather see him happy (whether it's as a Marine 0321 or on an Army A-Team)than "The good of the Corps" Which is BS anyway since the Marine Corps will continue to exist without Hartmann, myself or anyone else for that matter.

I may be alone in this opinion but we only have one life in this world. If you're not happy jump ship and find one that will make you happy. The attitude that if you leave the Marine Corps and go somewhere else you are a traitor is BS.

It's your career not anybody elses career so do whatever you want with it. Because at the end of it you're the only one that's going to be looking back on it.

And Deano I'm not mad at you I knew someone would give me a rash of sh*t so this was just my response to whoever gave it to me of why I think Hartmann should go Army SOF if Recon isn't making him happy.

FYI........there have been two Active Duty 0311's that have asked in the Army Forums in the last month.

If your interested in making the crossover from AD Marine Infantry to AD Army Infantry, steps outlined here in this thread by NinjaDrill:

http://forums.military.com/eve...522001#7620076522001

I don't know if there is a direct transfer option from Marine Recon to Special Forces.

The 0311 to Army Infantry transfer reads like it is fairly painless.

Daaaanng CW, I was messing with you man. Ha ha ha did you ever run with that one ha ha ha ha ha. It was a joke Devil Dawg, typical sarcastic grunt BS ribbing. Sorry if it caught you off guard and rubbed you the wrong way Brother. I was expecting the standard "frick off you sorry sumbiotch Dino!" reply ha ha ha.

Just because you're an officer now doesn't mean you've lost your doggin' rights in our hootch. So knock of the case of seriousness and let fly Devil! We're still Grunt Dawgs so let's kick it! UR-RAH!!!

Now back to the fun shiat ...

What's up with your boy Erich? Dude comes in here playin' Army trying to recruit Ricky Recon??? And yaw'l didn't bring any beer? WTF???

Now this is how we roll ...

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Originally posted by Hartmann0321:
I get out Jan 16, 2010. I'm a TL in a Recon team on the thirty-worst MEU. This is my second MEU and I have NO combat deployments. ****ing Recon team leader, sniper, enlisted in a time of war...no combat. I am more than willing to extend for some sort of combat, but refuse to re-enlist for fear of running into the same horse**** deployments. How the Hell does this happen? I should have been a whiny, quitter, ****bag, because apparently doing everything right only gets you left on the side lines. Thanks Marine Corps, for jack ****. I hope some CO or 1st Sgt gets ****ing brained because he brought a bunch of betas to the fight.

Sincerely,
Sgt Scott Hartmann

Hey Sgt Hartmann your doing your job as a Recon Marine serving your country and training and leading other Marines.You'll probably get to go to Afghanistan because that seems to be the focus for the Marine Corps.Everything happens for a reason.

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Originally posted by Deanosaur:

What's up with your boy Erich? Dude comes in here playin' Army trying to recruit Ricky Recon??? And yaw'l didn't bring any beer? WTF???

Truth be known though it is a LOT of work and a long time via the ROTC and OCS routes....I would not have the patience for it plus as a Combat veteran it really probably made his skin crawl dealing with some of the other Cadets.

If you get some time log into armyocs.com lots of good reading there and lots of Combat Arms guys waiting in line....some of them deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan and PO'd at how long it is taking. I never realized the work involved until I read through that website.

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Anyhow, back to recruiting 0311 Marines into the Army there is a flood of Prior Service and Active Duty 0311 Marines going Army now. Not kidding you. I asked RakkasanDragon about it but he hasn't responded. He might know whats going on with this, this just started in like the last 2-3 months or so. There is another Prior Service 0311 today asking in the Army Wannabe Forum about Army MOS' available.

So whats up with that?

RakkasanDragon is from my former 101st Regiment, Rakkasan = 187th Infantry. He is stepping down though as a Mod and there won't be too many of us 101st guys left on the website.

Oh and here is your damn beer.

Ha ha ha "here is your damn beer?" ha ha ha. Wuz up with you Soldiers? No sense of humor. We need to change that to "Serious" ha ha ha. Things have been so heavy here on the boards that I'm trying to lighten the mood around here, at least here in the Grunt Hootch. Relax, drop your load Brah and let's stomp some brain cells drinking these suckers! Ur-rah.

For the record, "Ricky Recon" is what we call our Recon Bubbas. They're not Scouts, that's Grunt Battalion eyes and ears. They're Recon. It's equal to the term Grunt with us. It's not a social standing thing, just a respectful term because they're Grunts too before they qualify for Recon plus they routinely deploy with us in MEU's so we pretty much know each other well. Respect goes both ways between us.

Now on to our main conversation: the Corps drops war enlistees like hot potatoes when hostilities start winding down because combat experience only vets are considered too unorthodox which is considered contrary to our heavily regimented disciplined lifestyle.

A perfect example is 1st Marine Regiment when they came home from Vietnam. They transferred the seasoned Bros all over Camp Pendleton and even gave many early outs just to make room to bring in fresh boots straight out of training. The idea was to bring the Corps "back" to prewar standards which of course didn't work then either, but they still use the same process to this day. Madness!

Truth be told many of the Devils staying in now will get a stomach full of the new "new" Corps so they'll end their active service at the end of their current enlistment cycles. This will create a shortage of experienced NCO's so the doors will reopen again starting in about three to five years. It's an old established insane process which makes no sense but happens still the same. Heck of a way to run a railroad!

Here's a fresh round ...



This is how we get down ... beer and tunes kickin'... "Boogie Nights" by Heatwave ...

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Originally posted by Deanosaur:
Ha ha ha "here is your damn beer?" ha ha ha. Wuz up with you Soldiers? No sense of humor. We need to change that to "Serious" ha ha ha.

No I was joking. Quite honestly, Aaron speaks for himself I just posted after him because I read the thread and it was topical to what I saw going on in the Army Forums.

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Things have been so heavy here on the boards that I'm trying to lighten the mood around here, at least here in the Grunt Hootch.

Thats not a problem, had this argument about 5 months ago in the Moderator Discussions and the discussion was much more heated. Strangely, Ipscone was absent from that discussion. I think he disliked the Mods arguing against me but since I was arguing for more respect of the POTUS he didn't agree with me either.....lol.

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Relax, drop your load Brah and let's stomp some brain cells drinking these suckers! Ur-rah.

No problem there.

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For the record, "Ricky Recon" is what we call our Recon Bubbas. They're not Scouts, that's Grunt Battalion eyes and ears. They're Recon. It's equal to the term Grunt with us. It's not a social standing thing, just a respectful term because they're Grunts too before they qualify for Recon plus they routinely deploy with us in MEU's so we pretty much know each other well. Respect goes both ways between us.

Now on to our main conversation: the Corps drops war enlistees like hot potatoes when hostilities start winding down because combat experience only vets are considered too unorthodox which is considered contrary to our heavily regimented disciplined lifestyle.

A perfect example is 1st Marine Regiment when they came home from Vietnam. They transferred the seasoned Bros all over Camp Pendleton and even gave many early outs just to make room to bring in fresh boots straight out of training. The idea was to bring the Corps "back" to prewar standards which of course didn't work then either, but they still use the same process to this day. Madness!

Truth be told many of the Devils staying in now will get a stomach full of the new "new" Corps so they'll end their active service at the end of their current enlistment cycles. This will create a shortage of experienced NCO's so the doors will reopen again starting in about three to five years. It's an old established insane process which makes no sense but happens still the same. Heck of a way to run a railroad!

Here's a fresh round ...



This is how we get down ... beer and tunes kickin'... "Boogie Nights" by Heatwave ...

I kind of saw before. We still had some Vietnam Combat Vets with CIB's when I entered the service in 1982 but they were becomming more and more rare as my ETS date approached in 1987. Ft. Benning Cadre mostly were Vietnam era vets in 1982.....some peacetime vets with no schools as DS but a lot of them had the CIB and were late tour SFC's. My first Squad Leader was from the Americal Division and enlisted with a break in Service I think in 1983.

My presumption was they got bored with garrison life and left. I kind of saw this after Grenada the Grenada vets fanned out from the 82nd Airborne into other line units.....then just ETS'd.

Interesting to note that after Vietnam a lot of the Vietnam vets signed up with the National Guard as well. I see the same thing going on now with the GWOT Veterans, largely burnt out they want to attend school but don't want to give up their benefits or rank don't want to be full time Army anymore.

"Get Down"? Thats an old term from the 1970's.
Get Down, Get Funky? See, I remember the important stuff....lol.

OK one question for you. Whats the deal with the 82nd vs Marine argument. I'm talking pre-year 2000 here. Is it the colocation of Camp Pendleton and Ft. Bragg?

My great Cousin is a 82nd Infantry Captain that served in Vietnam and he never talks bad about the Marines. I can't even bait him into the 101st vs 82nd fued discussion, he always bows out of it. I guess because they were both on Jump Status then....probably?

We had a 82nd's in the Cold War and even into the Gulf War period couldn't stand the Marines. So what is up with that? My guess is the root of conflict starts because of how close the posts are together.....true or not?