NBC just covered Deepwater as a Fleecing of America piece. They said the ship is not seaworthy.

Your thoughts?

Can you know a ship is unseaworthy before it is completed?

I wonder if we even know what the final draft readings are going to be?

Somebody hit GQ quick!

The IG's report is interesting though.

Cory

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It will be interesting to read the transcripts of tomorrow's congressional hearings and see how much spin comes out of both sides.

Having been on a cutter that lost a lot of its structural integrety between Juneau and Honolulu during some spectacularly snotty seas, I tend to be biased toward the Inspector General.

Interesting times ahead for the Coast Guard.

Washington, DC. (Jan. 30, 2007)--Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Thad Allen answer Deepwater questions to congressional members of the Subcommittee on Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation. USCG photo by Telfair H. Brown, Sr.

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***PREPARED FOR DELIVERY*** STATEMENT OF ADM. THAD ALLEN ON THE INTEGRATED DEEPWATER SYSTEM BEFORE THE HOUSE TRANSPORTATION & INFRASTRUCTURE SUBCOMMITTEE ON COAST GUARD & MARITIME TRANSPORTATION

I agree, how can you prove the seaworthiness of a ship if it has not yet been to sea? But I can see where people would get the idea that the C.G. pumping money into a project that may be a bit out of reach for such a small agency. I, being an airdale, seem to remember us buying helicopters that were severly underpowered and only after years of problems, and "Deep Water" coming on line, did we start to rectify said problem. Could this be another purchase like that? Man, I hope not. I like the idea of getting new ship/boats entirely. This polishing a turd mentality has gone on for all of my carreer and hopfully will come to some sort of an end. I know I polished and painted the turd of a 210 I was on an awful lot.

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I agree, how can you prove the seaworthiness of a ship if it has not yet been to sea?

Same as one would do to test the structure of atoms, molecules and other particles too tiny for even an electron scanning microscope to see. You build computer models based on certain engineering scenerios and fundamentals and then test a hell of a lot of variables and look at the outcomes to see how they might jibe with what is known concerning structural integrity.

Air2Sea, welcome to the world of engineering analysis. you need to sign up for at least 4 years of naval architecture and marine engineering studies at the coast guard academy or any other public university such as virginia tech. the naval architects at the coast guard's engineering logistics center (elc) were validated by the navy in their engineering calculations and assessments that the vessel is not seaworthy.

by the way, the navy was funded under northrop grumman to do the assessment, which ironically turned out to support the elc's claims!

the elc also said the 123's were going to have structural problems based on northrop's design; however, the elc was ignored once again. and what happened recently to the 123's? they were taken out of service due to structural problems that were exactly predicted by the elc!!!!!!!!

T's-Boy, I don't remember ever saying I was a naval architect or a marine engineer nor did I say I had a desire to be one. My point was, the CG has this bad habit of buying underpowered, second hand, referbished, unseaworthy, or what have you, equipment time and time again. Wouldn't it make more sense to spend a little more time on researching a product that will meet the needs of our multimission CG and keep our crews safe?

Seems to me like pretty strong words from T-boy... Now if he only had a name.....

Anyone know the name of the guy behind the ADM?? He looks familiar....

Wray...

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My point was, the CG has this bad habit of buying underpowered, second hand, referbished, unseaworthy, or what have you, equipment time and time again.

True. At least that is the perception most have.

I moved this over from another thread because it is better suited to this discussion...Ron

One of my best friends, a QM on the Mesquite was transferred to the Dallas in 1967. I remembering hearing from him that the Hamilton, (WHEC 715) the first of the 378's had some structural problems on her first OS. I later learned from a post from one of the original crew that there were in fact some problems that were later remedied on the 378s to follow.

His post stated, "I was part of the RIO team that was assigned for completion of the Hamilton. I was stationed on the Ham from 1967 - 1969. We did a lot of underway with the NAVY and MIT engineers. Our first weather patrol was OS Backer in the winter. We almost lost the forward stick, radio central was cracked on overhead and both outboard bulkheads. All window frames on main deck were also cracked."

Although I am concerned that the Admiral has stated that WMSLs 1&2 will need structural reinforcement to meet the 30-year service life requirement, it's not like we haven't dealt with this type of problem before as with the 378s. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

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Originally posted by Wray:
Seems to me like pretty strong words from T-boy... Now if he only had a name.....

Anyone know the name of the guy behind the ADM?? He looks familiar....

Wray...

That is RADM (Lower Half) Rabago..... his bio is at:
http://www.uscg.mil/flag/GPD.asp

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Originally posted by air2sea:
T's-Boy, I don't remember ever saying I was a naval architect or a marine engineer nor did I say I had a desire to be one. My point was, the CG has this bad habit of buying underpowered, second hand, referbished, unseaworthy, or what have you, equipment time and time again. Wouldn't it make more sense to spend a little more time on researching a product that will meet the needs of our multimission CG and keep our crews safe?

AIR2SEA: THIS WAS YOUR COMMENT "I agree, how can you prove the seaworthiness of a ship if it has not yet been to sea?" The "Seaworthiness" is determined by several applications, first by the intact stability following Navy Data Design Sheet 079 standards, then there is the dynamic stability analysis such as high speed turn, icing on deck, etc. Naval Architects determine the "seaworthiness of a ship" when it it is still a design and obviously before it has been out to sea.

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Originally posted by Wray:
Seems to me like pretty strong words from T-boy... Now if he only had a name.....

Anyone know the name of the guy behind the ADM?? He looks familiar....

Wray...

WRAY: My name is Thad's Boy, or Thad Allen's Boy. There is nothing else you need to know about me.

Thad's Boy's boat

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Thad's Boy's boat

ha ha ha...dat's funnie MWOOD51.... at least my boat catches dinner and doesn't catch hell like the national security cutter :-)

Well now, Thadsboy.

You have an interesting posting style, and apparently are knowledgable on a variety of topics, plus a bit of sarcastic wit.

I have nothing against your anonymity, and look forward to further posts.


sindbad sends as old memory banks begin whirling into position

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Originally posted by sindbad:
Well now, Thadsboy.

You have an interesting posting style, and apparently are knowledgable on a variety of topics, plus a bit of sarcastic wit.

I have nothing against your anonymity, and look forward to further posts.


sindbad sends as old memory banks begin whirling into position

Sinbad: thank you. i want you to be my 'sea daddy' and look out for me here on these discussions. a lot of the folks on this site, mostly the edgy active duty officers, seem to take offense to the truths i spout. does it matter if i give a name to my profile. look at the army and navy postings, this is not an issue. how come it is in the coast guard?

as my dad says: transparency breeds self correcting behavior.


Thad's Boy

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as my dad says: transparency breeds self correcting behavior.

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As I have told many of you at "All Hands" and other "get togethers" I believe that transparency of information breeds self correcting behavior. The Coast Guard can't improve unless you tell us what you think. The Department can't improve unless they know what we think. Take the time to participate. (Emphasis mine.)

-Admiral Thad W. Allen, USCG

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does it matter if i give a name to my profile. look at the army and navy postings, this is not an issue. how come it is in the coast guard?

I guess it doesn't Lucas for you to post. Then it is up to those who see your post to decide for themselves if they want to engage you in a debate, if having a profile matters to them.