I got this as an email. I do not know who wrote it but it is spot on:

This is what is called preaching to the choir. We only tell those who believe as we do, and that is the reason so many voted as they did in the last election. Sunday on In Touch, Dr. Charles Stanley's program, he had a guest speaker who was more of a historian than a Biblical speaker, but he knew historical facts as well as the Biblical truths. Dr. David Barton is his name. He was so wonderful on the subject of whether or not the United States were founded as a Christian nation.


Respect the Office? Yes.. Respect the Man in the Office? No.

I have noted that many elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans, called upon America to unite behind Obama. Well, I want to make it clear to all who will listen that I AM NOT uniting behind Obama! I will respect the Office which he holds, and I will acknowledge his abilities as an orator and wordsmith and pray for him, BUT that is it.

I have begun today to see what I can do to make sure that He is a one-term President! Why am I doing this?

It is because I do not share Obama's vision or Value system for America:

(1) I do not share his Abortion beliefs.

(2) I do not share his radical Marxist's concept of re-distributing wealth.

(3) I do not share his stated views on raising taxes on those who make $150,000+ (the ceiling has been changed three times since August).

(4) I do not share his view that America is Arrogant.

(5) I do not share his view that America is not a Christian Nation.

(6) I do not share his view that the military should be reduced by 25%

(7) I do not share his view of amnesty and giving more to illegals than American Citizens who need help.

(8) I do not share his views on homosexuality and his definition of marriage.

(9) I do not share his views that Radical Islam is our friend and Israel is our enemy who should give up any land.

(10) I do not share his spiritual beliefs (at least the ones he has made public).

(11) I do not share his beliefs on how to re-work the healthcare system in America.

(12) I do not share his Strategic views of the Middle East, and certainly do not share his plan to sit down with terrorist regimes such as Iran.

Bottom line, my America is vastly different from Obama's, and I have a higher obligation to my Country and my God to do what is Right!

For eight (8) years, the Liberals in our Society, led by numerous entertainers who would have no platform and no real credibility but for their celebrity status, have attacked President Bush, his family, and his spiritual beliefs!

They have not moved toward the center in their beliefs and their philosophies, and they never came together nor compromised their personal beliefs for the betterment of our Country!

They have portrayed my America as a land where everything is tolerated except being intolerant!

They have been a vocal and irreverent minority for years; they have mocked and attacked the very core values so important to the founding and growth of our Country!

They have made every effort to remove the name of God or Jesus Christ from our Society!

They have challenged capital punishment, the right to bear firearms, and the most basic principles of our criminal code; they have attacked one of the most fundamental of all Freedoms, the right of free speech!

Unite behind Obama? Never!

I am sure many of you who read this think that I am going overboard, but I refuse to retreat one more inch in favor of those whom I believe are the embodiment of Evil!

PRESIDENT BUSH made many mistakes during his Presidency, and I am not sure how history will judge him.

However, I believe that he weighed his decisions in light of the long established Judeo-Christian principles of our Founding Fathers!!!

Majority rules in America , and I will honor the concept; however, I will fight with all of my power to be a voice in opposition to Obama and "his goals for America ."

I am going to be a thorn in the side of those who, if left unchecked, will destroy our Country!!

Any more compromise is more defeat!

I pray that the results of this election will wake up many who have sat on the sidelines and allowed the Socialist-Marxist anti-God crowd to slowly change so much of what has been good in America !

"Error of Opinion may be tolerated where Reason is left free to combat it." (Thomas Jefferson)

'If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.'
- Ronald Reagan

Baseing expectaions of Presisdent Obama compared to what Former President Bush did is like a Christian not baseing his or her life on what Jesus did but on what other Christians do. He aught to be expected to perform like the President of the United States of America and Commander in Chief, not better than what someone else did or didn't do. Many think "He can't do worse than Bush". NO! But not doing better is just as bad.

The President of the United States represents the People of the United States!

How can you respect anyone, president or not that refuses to proove to the nation that he was born in the USA, which by the way Nobama has refused to do...

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Originally posted by LtColt_45:
How can you respect anyone, president or not that refuses to proove to the nation that he was born in the USA, which by the way Nobama has refused to do...

By Federal Law, if his Mother is an American Citizen he is automatically an American Citizen NO MATTER WHERE GEOGRAPHICALLY HE IS BORN.

It was on the State Department Website long before this last Presidential Election. It's been Federal Law for several decades.

So he only needs to point to his Mother in respect to proving anything here. It's still on the State Department website if you want to look under Citizenship. Also, regardless of what other countries say, our State Department says U.S. Naturalization Law prevails over any other foriegn law in regards to U.S. Citizenship. We just do not recognize what other countries say in regards to U.S. Citizenship once it is granted.

The only foggy area is dual Citizenship. President Obama was never a dual Citizen, so that door is closed as well.

Good post, but if he was grandfathered in, why hire lawyers to hide his birth records??? Enquring minds would like to know...

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By Federal Law, if his Mother is an American Citizen he is automatically an American Citizen NO MATTER WHERE GEOGRAPHICALLY HE IS BORN.

It was on the State Department Website long before this last Presidential Election. It's been Federal Law for several decades.

So he only needs to point to his Mother in respect to proving anything here. It's still on the State Department website if you want to look under Citizenship. Also, regardless of what other countries say, our State Department says U.S. Naturalization Law prevails over any other foriegn law in regards to U.S. Citizenship. We just do not recognize what other countries say in regards to U.S. Citizenship once it is granted.

Not so fast, according to the Department of State's Foreign Affairs Manual: "It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution, and, therefore, eligible for the presidency."

So - "At the time of his birth, Obama's mother was not old enough to confer her American citizenship to her newborn son IF he had been born abroad." Vis a vis there was a 1952 law that required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for 10 years, including five after reaching the age of 14, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. Obama's mother was 18 when he was born.

Which brings us back to the point in question, where was Obama born?

Where is the valid live birth certificate?

The fact that Obama has spent well over a million dollars to fight the many cases filed demanding he present a valid birth certificate speaks volumes on this issue.

TP

I was born in post-war Germany in 1946. Both of my parents were American citizens. An American consulate (ambasador) had not been established so I got a German certificate of live birth but no American birth certificate. When I turned 18 I had to raise my right hand and swear my loyalty to the USA. I then got a certificate granting me American citizenship. For all intents and purposes, I am a "naturalized" citizen.

I believe that I saw an Indonesian document where Nobama's step-father stated the Barry was an Indonesian citizen. I wonder when he became a "real" American?

I am not a "birther", but I understand that Obama's mother was not allowed to fly to Hawaii due to her advanced state of pregnancy, so that is why she gave birth in Kenya. She then flew to HI and applied for a birth certificate for Barrack as if he were a home birth in Hawaii. I guess HI didn't question it at that time frame when a new born is presented as a "home birth".

As far as respect goes...

Just like in the Marines, you don't have to respect the person, but you have to respect the rank. I don't respect Obama, but I do respect the Office of the President. It is a shame that he is making the US a laughing stock across the world. He has effective removed the balls our our republic.

So if and when it comes out that this upsurper is not the cic then that means that all bills and laws signed are null and void, that could leave this national health care all screwed up LOL...Even more so than it already is lol...

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Originally posted by Press_ie:
Not so fast, according to the Department of State's Foreign Affairs Manual: "It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution, and, therefore, eligible for the presidency."

So - "At the time of his birth, Obama's mother was not old enough to confer her American citizenship to her newborn son IF he had been born abroad." Vis a vis there was a 1952 law that required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for 10 years, including five after reaching the age of 14, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. Obama's mother was 18 when he was born.

Which brings us back to the point in question, where was Obama born?

Where is the valid live birth certificate?

The fact that Obama has spent well over a million dollars to fight the many cases filed demanding he present a valid birth certificate speaks volumes on this issue.

TP

All of it is irrelevant. I would hire lawyers myself to investigate cases of slander or other folks intruding into my private life. It has to do with protecting identity and maintaining PERSEC more then it does hiding. He has two young kids and a wife.

At any rate, your legal points are red herrings and wouldn't stand a nanosecond in any court room, civil or international. The law of the land is, if his Mother is a Citizen, he is good to go. 1952 laws, who cares if they have been superceded, they are obsolete. The Naturalization law has changed several times in the past. I am using current naturalization law that was in existence before Obama was elected into the Senate.

The U.S. for example did not recognize dual citizenship in the past. Now it does but it heavily discourages dual citizens maintaining their dual status. And if there is a conflict with the foriegn country over the dual citizen then U.S. laws apply first.

BTW, renouncing your Citizenship is commonly misunderstood as well. You can't just walk into a foriegn embassy or foriegn country and renounce your citizenship. Lee Harvey Oswald tried that. The renouncement has to be witnessed by a authorized representative of the U.S. AND ACCEPTED BY THAT REPRESENTATIVE AS A RENOUNCEMENT. So you can renounce your citizenship to your hearts content and if it is not officially accepted by the U.S......it never happened and your still a U.S. Citizen. Thats the Law as well.

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Originally posted by johnwear:
I was born in post-war Germany in 1946. Both of my parents were American citizens. An American consulate (ambasador) had not been established so I got a German certificate of live birth but no American birth certificate. When I turned 18 I had to raise my right hand and swear my loyalty to the USA. I then got a certificate granting me American citizenship. For all intents and purposes, I am a "naturalized" citizen.

I believe that I saw an Indonesian document where Nobama's step-father stated the Barry was an Indonesian citizen. I wonder when he became a "real" American?

Easily answered. There was not a Germany in 1946. The state was formed again in 1948 as West Germany. Germany was dissolved as a country when it surrendered on VE day and it lost it's sovernity then, no currency, no Federal Government, etc. Hard for me to grasp how you could consider this a German Birth.

So you were born in occupied Territory at a time of political confusion over who was in charge and what laws applied (at the time they did not want to confer too much over for fear of alienating the Russian allies). If you were born in a U.S. Zone of occupation, my wild guess is U.S. Citizenship laws applied. Just a guess though, you would have to look that up.

Your German Certificate of live birth was probably part of the confusion, probably honored out of respect to West Germany's formation and expediency over what do to during the few years when there was no real clear governance of the occupied territories.

This is irrelevant to today however because that was then.....this is now.

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Originally posted by SgtShaw86:
As far as respect goes...

Just like in the Marines, you don't have to respect the person, but you have to respect the rank. I don't respect Obama, but I do respect the Office of the President. It is a shame that he is making the US a laughing stock across the world. He has effective removed the balls our our republic.

I 100% agree. I do not like Obama either for similar reasons but I do respect him because he holds the Office and weather I like it or not he is my President and was elected.

The problem I have with the whole Birth Certificate argument is the President is trying to do a job here and this is a distraction from that job that he was elected to do.

If I wanted my tax money spent on some irrelevant ongoing Soap Opera drama I would have voted for Oprah Winfrey.

I want my tax money spent on fixing the problems of this country directly and I want my President to be lazer focused in that area as well. Probably a lot to hope for.

This Birth Certificate saga is a distraction thats eating up money and diverting attention away from our real problems, IMO.

That protection crap don't fly, we already know his Mother's name and such, his father's name and such... So there for all we don't know is his place of birth !!!

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I would hire lawyers myself to investigate cases of slander or other folks intruding into my private life. It has to do with protecting identity and maintaining PERSEC more then it does hiding. He has two young kids and a wife.

Rediculous!

This man is the POTUS, not a private citizen.

He knew when he ran for office how his life would be put on a pedestal for the world to see.

Your arguments utterly fail in the light of day. Unfortunately Obama has kept his history locked in pitch black.

For a politician who ran on openness, he is the least known president in history.

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At any rate, your legal points are red herrings and wouldn't stand a nanosecond in any court room, civil or international. The law of the land is, if his Mother is a Citizen, he is good to go. 1952 laws, who cares if they have been superceded, they are obsolete.

More embellishing.

Obsolete?

We're not talking about an old worn out piece of technology here. It's the constitution of the United States.

All this should be determined in a court - preferably the Supreme Court, but like most of our elected leaders they also shirked their duty on this one.

There is one point that we probably can agree : No one is ever going to do anything about this because the ramifications of declaring Obama a usurper are beyond the pale of comprehension.

PS - I feel confident on our "don't ask don't tell bet."

TP

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Originally posted by Press_ie:

PS - I feel confident on our "don't ask don't tell bet."

TP

Ha-ha-ha, I remember that bet! Looks like I might be collecting in 2010. He has spent Waaaayyyyy too much political capital already to attempt lifting DADT. I keep hearing rumblings in the Media about it though. Obama keeps putting it off and putting it off. Repeated delay in politics with a controversial issue means it won't happen.

So on your rebuttal above, I'm not going to go back and forth on this. You guys can believe in this if you want. He would not have made it on the Senate Armed Services Committee if he was not properly vetted in this area. Even the Democrats can't get past that security screen.

You made some good argument on the birther issue. And as I stated above, ultimately nothing will ever get done even if your wrong.

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Ha-ha-ha, I remember that bet! Looks like I might be collecting in 2010. He has spent Waaaayyyyy too much political capital already to attempt lifting DADT.

Okay , I just checked my log book on the bet. It was made on 04/26/09. And the bet was 8 years, so you have to sweat it out until 04/26/17.

The truth is, I just hope that I am still around then...

Well the way I see it now Obama is a one termer. Newt Gingrinch is already thinking he is going to organize a Republican Majority again.....he's been dropping hints on C-SPAN. Not sure if he is serious. How old is he by now? Looks like he is in his late 50's.

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How old is he by now?

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