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"A Marine on duty has no friends." |
Are you more socially conservative or economically conservative.........?
Which is it? |
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5th Marines 2002-2004 |
I'd go for social. The nation, Law, clear definitions of anything related to the government, good education, etc.
Economics I'm more open to new ideas. I'd rather see elected officials or loyal union leaders decide what our government spends its money on than on unelected businessmen who live for profit. |
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WM Moderator Marine Forums  |
I hold everything close to the vest, especially my money. No Union, organization, or party will tell me how to spend my hard earned, cash. And I am certainly not going to pay an organization to make decisions for me. I may be Republican, but I do not contribute to campaigns. If they want my assistance, they have my vote and that is it.
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I'm for a constitutional conservative... You know, the kind that is going restore our constitution.
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WM Moderator Marine Forums |
I am for which ever conservative I feel actually has a chance at getting elected. It is better to have any conservative in office over a democrat/liberal any day.
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5th Marines 2002-2004 |
So if you wanted to spend your cash on marijuana and child porn, no organization should stop you? Or if you wanted to hire illegal aliens, and so on? It's time to move past this Libertarian misinterpretation of America. Let Unions run the country as long as they pledge loyalty and actually exist to provide fair labor.
Let's start with the 10th and 11th Amendments. |
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WM Moderator Marine Forums |
FIRST, I am talking about political contributions in this particular rant. See responses within yours below in RED>>>
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5th Marines 2002-2004 |
It's not labor laws I'm concerned about but a complete change in our government. A Labor Union isn't by definition a subversive and criminal organization, but a good representation of American Workers if done right. Those who have earned their place in society deserve to have more say and the 'average voter' must become a part of history and a lesson against mindless equality.
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WM Moderator Marine Forums |
I beg to differ. Unions of anykind are not needed. They were created to help the average worker with their poor working conditions, safety concerns and miserable pay.
Those conditions don't exist anymore. Look at all the industry that does not have unions involved in them. My husband is in the printing industry and their shop refuses to allow the union to enter, why, they don't need them. Nobody does. Do you think GM will cut your salaries down if the union isn't there anymore? No, they would have riot on their hands. Give me a break. Unions are ruining this country, by artificially inflating pay, retaining the "deadbeat" workers, and taking money from their members with NOTHING really in return. |
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Humble member of the 10K poster club. |
By all definitions I am conservative on both counts |
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5th Marines 2002-2004 |
So when these criminals in charge of the American Auto industry go further to sell out our jobs and resources to foreign (and often hostile) powers, there should be no one to stand up to them? My main point isn't with the protection of American worker's rights as much as it is with a reform in the system of government. While the former is important, to think that any idiot who survives 18 years has the same voting rights as a veteran/labor leader/dutiful worker is beyond stupid. It is the only way to have a functional semi-democratic system in this age of stupidity. |
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"A Marine on duty has no friends." |
why are veteran voters better than non veteran voters?...lol epsecially 18 yr old ones? huh? |
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"Sissy Hunter" |
More Social.
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WM Moderator Marine Forums |
Why do you think these BIG companies are taking their manufacturing overseas? BECAUSE OF CHEAP LABOR!! Union workers have ALLOWED the Labor Unions to price them right out of a job. IF your job is outsourced, whos fault is it. YOURS! You allowed the Union to do this to you. HERE IS A THOUGHT...when your automotive job is shipped overseas, invent a contraption that makes everybodies vehicle get 50MPG. Manufacture it and sell it yourself to John Q. Public. You will be richer than any car manufacturer. Wrap your brain around that!! |
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Skids |
Why are these automotive jobs going overseas? The answer in my mind is unions. Unions are under assumption that corporations are in business to provide jobs. That may be true in socialist countries but here in the U.S. they're in it to make a profit. If demands on a corporation are greater then the bottomline they will export the jobs to third world countries where with a minimal amount of education they do the same job. Unions are a crutch for those wanting a guranteed cradle to grave benefits. We in the real world put our job on the line everyday too, if we don't perform we're canned. This gives a greater incentive to perform or educate ourselves in a job market where our skills are needed.
You put a union in charge of a country and you have created a dictatorship where profits are out and low expectations are high. |
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"A Marine on duty has no friends." |
Although Unions are a problem, US Big Car companies cannot compete with countries that provide a system of health care....
That is a big deal most car manufacture companies outside the US DO NOT have to worry about, but one of the most sought after and costliest benefits that union leaders want. |
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5th Marines 2002-2004 |
US car companies can't compete when they are regulated to produce low emission vehicles. That is something else.
And cheap foreign labor = greater profit at lower expense. The bottom line must be service to the nation, not profit.
oh it's so simple. Why didn't I invent shit before and work my way up on the social ladder, because I sure as hell don't want to be accused of being content with life before the ratrace.
Did you not keep up with the GM strike?
Because Rights and Duty are perverse when taken seperately. You should earn your place in society by performing the duties of a citizen in thanks for the rights that you enjoy, not because you are loaded, and not simply because you are born. Those who have greater authority than you should be older, wiser, with kids, and with years of service. Those who have no interest in putting the community before themselves shouldn't have any say in politics whatsoever. |
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"Sissy Hunter" |
First off, if making a profit was the end all, we'd all be Nazis.
Community is what we were at one time, we were born into a town, made a profession and business to stay in this town, we raised a family and lived til death in a community. Moving your business overseas or jobs overseas means that you do not care about the Community anymore. |
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Skids |
It may appear that way, but back then again you're neighbours, community and state governments didn't try to bleed you dry. There are quite a few foreign car and parts manufacturers in the U.S. who provide employment. The difference is they are located in the south where, for the most part, unions are not looked highly upon. The wages are around $17.00 for semi-skilled jobs. In the south that's great money. http://www.sb-d.com/issues/Summer2006/aroundthesouth/index.asp |
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"Sissy Hunter" |
Granted, Ayn Rand stated that if ya play the federal Gov game, take tax breaks and Federal money, you can blame the Gov. for failure of a business. Because you own a business, doesn't mean that you can take handouts or special treatment by the local gov. and not have to give out in turn to the community welfare. If you want to run a business offshore, then move yourself and family over there and live there. To live here and make a profit over there is playing a two-faced game and will get slapped down. Read THIRD WAVE, by Alvin Toffler, it will open your eyes. >>>>> The Third Wave Toffler describes three types of societies, based on the concept of 'waves' - each wave pushes the older societies and cultures aside. * First Wave is the society after agrarian revolution and replaced the first hunter-gatherer cultures. * Second Wave is the society during the Industrial Revolution (ca. late 1600s through the mid-1900s). The main components of the Second Wave society are nuclear family, factory-type education system and the corporation. Toffler writes: "The Second Wave Society is industrial and based on mass production, mass distribution, mass consumption, mass education, mass media, mass recreation, mass entertainment, and weapons of mass destruction. You combine those things with standardization, centralization, concentration, and synchronization, and you wind up with a style of organization we call bureaucracy." * Third Wave is the post-industrial society. Toffler would also add that since late 1950s most countries are moving away from a Second Wave Society into what he would call a Third Wave Society. He coined lots of words to describe it and mentions names invented by him (super-industrial society) and other people (like the Information Age, Space Age, Electronic Era, Global Village, technetronic age, scientific-technological revolution), which to various degrees predicted demassification, diversity, knowledge-based production, and the acceleration of change (one of Toffler’s key maxims is "change is non-linear and can go backwards, forwards and sideways"). In this post-industrial society, there is a lot of diversity in lifestyles ("subcults"). Adhocracies (fluid organizations) adapt quickly to changes. Information can substitute most of the material resources (see ersatz) and becomes the main material for workers (cognitarians instead of proletarians), who are loosely affiliated. Mass customization offers the possibility of cheap, personalized, production catering to small niches (see Just In Time production). The gap between producer and consumer is bridged by technology using a so called configuration system. "Prosumers" can fill their own needs (see open source, assembly kit, freelance work). This was the notion that new technologies are enabling the radical fusion of the producer and consumer into the prosumer. In some cases prosuming entails a “third job” where the corporation “outsources” its labor not to other countries, but to the unpaid consumer, such as when we do our own banking through an ATM instead of a teller that the bank must employ, or trace our own postal packages on the internet instead of relying on a paid clerk. Ageing societies will be using new (medical) technologies from self-diagnosis to instant toilet urinalysis to self-administered therapies delivered by nanotechnology to do for themselves what doctors used to do. This will change the way the whole health industry works.[citation needed] Since the 1960s, people have been trying to make sense out of the impact of new technologies and social change. Toffler's writings have been influential beyond the confines of scientific, economic and public policy discussions. Techno music pioneer Juan Atkins cites Toffler's phrase "techno rebels" in Future Shock as inspiring him to use the word "techno" to describe the musical style he helped to create. Toffler's works and ideas have been subject to various criticisms, usually with the same argumentation used against futurology: that foreseeing the future is nigh impossible. In the 1990s, his ideas were publicly lauded by Newt Gingrich. In 1996 Alvin and Heidi Toffler founded Toffler Associates, an executive advisory firm committed to helping commercial firms and government agencies adjust to the changes described in the Tofflers' works. The development Toffler believes may go down as this era's greatest turning point is the creation of wealth in outer space. Wealth today, he argues, is created everywhere (globalisation), nowhere (cyberspace), and out there (outer space). Global positioning satellites are key to synchronising precision time and data streams for everything from cellphone calls to ATM withdrawals. They allow Just In Time productivity because of precise tracking. GPS is also becoming central to air-traffic control. And satellites increase agricultural productivity through tracking weather, enabling more accurate forecasts. Two major predictions of Toffler's - the paperless office and human cloning - have yet to be realized, not due to technological barriers but to sociological and politico-religious conditions. Also influenced Timothy Leary (see Info-Psychology; New Falcon Press, 2004) |
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