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Keith Olbermann’s Special Comment tonight is without a doubt, one of his hardest hitting and most emotional to date. Keith absolutely lays waste to President Bush’s lies and rhetoric about the surge. He contrasts his callous disregard for the truth and the troops between his six hour photo op in Iraq and the interview with Draper released this weekend.

This video is a must-see, hold on to your hats.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/0...bout-iraq-sir/
And there it is, sir. We’ve caught you.

Your goal is not to bring some troops home — maybe — if we let you have your way now;

Your goal is not to set the stage for eventual withdrawal;
You are, to use your own disrespectful, tone-deaf word, playing at getting the next Republican nominee to agree to jump into this bottomless pit with you, and take us with him, as we stay in Iraq for another year, and another, and another, and anon.

Transcripts below the fold:

Finally tonight, a Special Comment about Mr. Bush’s trip, and his startling admission of the true motive for this war, which was revealed in his absence.
And so he is back from his annual surprise gratuitous photo-op in Iraq, and what a sorry spectacle it was.

But it was nothing compared to the spectacle of one unfiltered, unguarded, horrifying quotation in the new biography to which Mr. Bush has consented.
As he deceived the troops at Al-Asad Air Base yesterday with the tantalizing prospect that some of them might not have to risk being killed and might get to go home, Mr. Bush probably did not know that, with his own words, he had already proved that he had been lying — is lying… will be lying — about Iraq.
He presumably did not know, that there had already appeared those damning excerpts from Robert Draper’s book “Dead Certain.”

“I’m playing for October-November,” Mr. Bush said to Draper.
That, evidently, is the time during which, he thinks he can sell us the real plan.

Which is, to quote him: “To get us in a position where the presidential candidates, will be comfortable about sustaining a presence.”
Comfortable, that is, with saying about Iraq, again quoting the President, “stay longer.”

And there it is, sir. We’ve caught you.

Your goal is not to bring some troops home — maybe — if we let you have your way now;

Your goal is not to set the stage for eventual withdrawal;
You are, to use your own disrespectful, tone-deaf word, playing at getting the next Republican nominee to agree to jump into this bottomless pit with you, and take us with him, as we stay in Iraq for another year, and another, and another, and anon.

Everything you said about Iraq yesterday, and everything you will say, is a deception, for the purpose of this one cynical, unacceptable, brutal goal — perpetuating this war indefinitely.

War today, war tomorrow, war forever!
And you are playing at it!
Playing!

A man with any self-respect, having inadvertently revealed such an evil secret, would have already resigned and fled the country!
You have no remaining credibility about Iraq, sir.

And yet, yesterday at Al-Asad, Mr. Bush kept playing — and this time, using the second of his two faces.

The President told reporters, “They, (General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker) “tell me if the kind of success we are now seeing continues, it will be possible to maintain the same level of security with fewer American forces.”

And so, Mr. Bush got his fraudulent headlines today: “Bush May Bring Some Troops Home.”

While the reality is, we know from what he told Draper, that the President’s true hope is that they will not come home; but that they will stay there, because he is keeping them there now, in hope that those from his political party fighting to succeed him, will prolong this unendurable disaster into the next decade.

But, to a country dying of thirst, the President seemed to vaguely promise a drink from a full canteen — a promise predicated on the assumption that he is not lying.

Yet you are lying, Mr. Bush. Again. But now, we know why.
You gave away more of yourself than you knew in the Draper book
And you gave away more still, on the arduous trip back out of Iraq — hours in the air, without so much as a single vacation.

“If you look at my comments over the past eight months,” you told reporters, “it’s gone from a security situation — in the sense that we’re either going to get out and there will be chaos, or, more troops. Now, the situation has changed, where I’m able to speculate on the hypothetical.”

Mr. Bush, the only “hypothetical” here is that you are not now holding our troops hostage.

You have no intention of withdrawing them.
But that doesn’t mean you can’t pretend you’re thinking about it, does it?
That is your genius, sir — as you see it, anyway.
You can deduce what we want — we, the people, remember us? — and then use it against us.

You can hold that canteen up and promise it to the parched nation.
And the untold number of Americans whose lives have not been directly blighted by Iraq — or who do not realize that their safety has been reduced and not increased by Iraq — they will get the bullet points: ‘Bush is thinking about bringing some troops home. Bush even went to Iraq.’

You can fool some of the people all of the time, can’t you, Mr. Bush?
You are playing us!

And as for the most immediate victims of the President’s perfidy and shameless manipulation — those troops, yesterday sweating literally as he spoke at Al-Asad Air Base…

Tonight, again sweating figuratively in The Valley Of The Shadow Of Death…
The President saved, for them, the most egregious “playing” in the entire trip.

“I want to tell you this about the decision, about my decision about troop levels. Those decisions will be based on a calm assessment by our military commanders on the conditions on the ground — not a nervous reaction by Washington politicians to poll results in the media.”

One must compliment Mr. Bush’s writer.

That, perhaps, was the mostly perfectly crafted phrase of his Presidency.
For depraved indifference to Democracy, for the craven projection of political motives onto those trying to save lives and save a nation, for a dismissal of the value of the polls and the importance of the media… for a summary of all he does not hold dear about this nation or its people — nothing… could top that.

As if, sir, you listened to all the “calm assessments” of our military commanders –rather than firing the ones who dared say The Emperor Has No Clothes, and The President, No Judgment;

As if, sir, your entire presidency was not a “nervous reaction”, and you yourself, nothing but a Washington politician;

As if, sir, “the media” does not largely divide into those parts your minions are playing, and those others who unthinkingly and uncritically serve as your echo chamber, at a time when the nation’s future may depend on the airing of dissent.

And as if, sir, those polls were not so overwhelming, and not so clearly reflective of the nation’s agony and the nation’s insistence.
But this President has ceased to listen.

This President has decided that night is day, and death is life, and enraging the world against us, is safety.

And this laziest of Presidents, actually interrupted his precious time off to fly to Iraq to play at a photo opportunity with soldiers, some of whom will — on his orders — be killed before the year, maybe the month, is out.
Just over 500 days remain in this Presidency.

Consider the dead who have piled up on the battlefield in these last 500 days.

Consider the singular fraudulence of this President’s trip to Iraq yesterday, and the singular fraudulence of the selling of the Petraeus Report in these last 500 days.

Consider how this President has torn away at the fabric of this nation in a manner of which terrorists can only dream in these last 500 days.
And consider again how this President has spoken to that biographer: that he is “playing for October-November.” The goal in Iraq is “To get us in a position where the presidential candidates will be comfortable about sustaining a presence” and consider how this revelation contradicts every other rationale he has offered in these last 500 days.

In the context of all that… now, consider… these next 500 days.
Mr. Bush, our presence in Iraq must end.

Even if it means your resignation.
Even if it means your impeachment.

Even if it means a different Republican to serve out your term.
Even if it means a Democratic Congress — and those true Patriots among the Republicans — standing up and denying you another penny for Iraq, other than for the safety and the safe conduct home of our troops.

This country cannot run the risk of what you can still do to this country in the next 500 days…

Not while you, sir… are playing.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/0...bout-iraq-sir/
 
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Which President is the only president in the history of the U.S. to be impeached?

You can keep attacking Bush to no end, it's as useful as criticizing Clinton in his last year of office. His administration is done, He's just coasting to the finish now. He started out strong and surrounded himself with experience and knowledge and then just blew it. The decline began with the resignation of Colin Powell.

Iraq exist and will be the watermark for the next administration. He tried, he was not 100% on success, but at least he tried. Things should have happened differently in Afghanistan, a bolder statement sholuld have been made up to and including nuclear options.

My taxes are paying for weapons that will never be used, useless threats if don't show the resolve to use them. The world was/is due for a reminder of nuclear power, unfortunately the next event will probably happen on U.S. soil.
 
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There would be very little criticism of Bush if he would resign or bring the troops home. Clearly there is no defense for his lying and you have not displayed one.

Clearly his lies (more of them) are on display here and he is being taken to task for it. I don't know if it is doing any good, but clearly Bush is not doing any good.
 
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Keith Olbermann is a hysterical drama queen mouthpiece for the DNC...



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How about refuting the content vice trying to denigrate the man? You don't have to like him.
 
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I'm not going to waste my time refuting left-wit media footstools or demokraut myrmidons whose sole purpose in life is to denigrate the president, our troops, and our mission in Iraq and the GWOT. Olbermann is just another socialist dem-wit...


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HD, even if every single thing you said above, was 100% true, I still wouldn't vote Dem.
 
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Well just continue to support the lies, the mis truths and the corruption.

Like the saying goes "We distort, you comply"
 
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I totally hear what you are saying, but fail to see how the lies, mis truth and corruption are any better on the Dem side? Are you saying then that if I where to change my party affiliation to yours that the lies, mis truth and corruption would thus end?
 
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Right now it is the republican party that is competely responsible for the debacle in Iraq.

There is not enough democrats in congress to overrule Bush and the republicans are staying the course.

If you vote along party lines (which is fair) then you support this cause. I am an indpendent so I am not beholden to any party.

If the policy stinks, I vote the bums out. I don't think corruption will end if/when the democrats take hold of congress after the next election.

We will need a whole lot of new rules before that can happen
 
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OK, so what you are saying is by voting Dem, the war will end, is this a fair statement?
 
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Right now it is the republican party that is competely responsible for the debacle in Iraq.
You really need to research who voted in favor Confused

You just can't pull out without a plan. The pull out now crowd have no plan.


There is not enough democrats in congress to overrule Bush and the republicans are staying the course.

If you vote along party lines (which is fair) then you support this cause. I am an indpendent so I am not beholden to any party.

If the policy stinks, I vote the bums out. I don't think corruption will end if/when the democrats take hold of congress after the next election.

We will need a whole lot of new rules before that can happen
 
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OK, so what you are saying is by voting Dem, the war will end, is this a fair statement?


I can say that the chances of ending the war SHOULD be better. The current crop of republican candidates less Ron Paul are 'stay the course'.

Right now the way congress has voted, (without a clear majority I may add) it looks as though the WAR PARTY rules
 
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Right now it is the republican party that is competely responsible for the debacle in Iraq.
You really need to research who voted in favor Confused

You just can't pull out without a plan. The pull out now crowd have no plan.


There is not enough democrats in congress to overrule Bush and the republicans are staying the course.

If you vote along party lines (which is fair) then you support this cause. I am an indpendent so I am not beholden to any party.

If the policy stinks, I vote the bums out. I don't think corruption will end if/when the democrats take hold of congress after the next election.

We will need a whole lot of new rules before that can happen


We went in with no plan. So we can leave without one. The only plan GWB had was to get out of Vietnam.

There is still a majority favoring the republicans in congress. It takes 60% of the senate to over turn the president in a veto.

There are 22 senate seats up for re-election that are held by republicans. They are very vulnerable and right now, I will say they will pay with their jobs for the continuation of the war. Just like last year
 
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Ok, so you could say that "if" I were to vote Dem, I "might not" have to go back to Iraq again. Is this a fair statement?
 
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Sir, I really don't like to speculate. The chances are slimmer that the war will continue unabated as the democrats are viewed as the anti war party and backed by the anti war effort.

Wiil troops remain in Iraq if the democrats win? Yes. Will they be at the same level and have the same mission (Not Accomplished) like today? No.
 
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I have already settled it in my mind that no matter who wins, I will still most likly end up in Iraq again. Of course as much as I dont like leaving my family( I kind of like them) I also understand why I am there and still firmly believe that we are doing the right thing by being there. Based on my 18 years of service, under many different political parties, I do have my worries that the Dems will still keep us there, but fail to support us( IE allowing us to take care of business, buying us the latest gear ect) I am sorry but from a military perspective(or for that matter my perspective), the Democrats do not seem to have a reputation of being very military friendly. So to me if they where to win the election, I feel that I would be serving under folks who dont really like me.
 
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Like I stated earlier, the WAR PARTY rules.

The democrats will support the troops. The WOT will just be fought a little smarter. More Homeland Security.
 
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So your saying the WOT will be fought re-active vs pro-active?
 
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We went in with no plan. Not true, you actually think that any country could be successfully invaded and conquered if the invading force does not have a battle plan? Wake up all ready, the initial invasion plan worked, now beyond that you have validity. When the focus became the WMD's and finding them, Washington panicked and the deceptions began. I for one believe the weapons were there and still exist, in Syria. So we can leave without one. Come on now, two wrongs don't make a right applies here. So your car has a flat tire and you haven't got a spare, you just going to walk away and disown it. Sure it may take some work and a while to get a spare, is it worth you trouble? The one question no one seems to want to answer is how long were we in Germany and Japan after WWII. This was never going to be a drive up window, value menu war. Democracy in the Middle East is a 30-40 year process. The only plan GWB had was to get out of Vietnam.

There is still a majority favoring the republicans in congress. It takes 60% of the senate to over turn the president in a veto.

There are 22 senate seats up for re-election that are held by republicans. They are very vulnerable and right now, I will say they will pay with their jobs for the continuation of the war. Just like last year
Regardless of party affiliation we never get what we ask for, and asking for it is what they in Washington want us to believe we must do. The politicians are off the leash and no longer work for us, this needs to be addressed first and set straight first. They pander to their own interest and have forgotten that they are there to represent us, not dictate to us. This is our flaw right now, politicians not doing what they are told to do.
 
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According to the Gallup Poll Congress has an 18% approval and 76 Disapproval. I dont know that I would count on the Dems taking the house and Senate just yet.
 
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Logic, it is the 'beyond that' that we are chatting about. There are no WMD's. There is no Saddam. The Iraqis did not hit the WTC. All the lies won't hlep the cause. The administration and it's policies are a failure.

It is just too bad that the administration sold it as a drive by. Not the doing of Clinton or any other democrat. In fact republicans like McCane sold it. And the sheeple bought it.

Good thing there are Marines like me. I can't compare the other wars to this one. It is a clusterf@ck in Iraq.

The policticians do as they are 'sold' to do. AIPAC, HAL, XOM, BA and others own them
 
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According to the Gallup Poll Congress has an 18% approval and 76 Disapproval. I dont know that I would count on the Dems taking the house and Senate just yet.


Again that is mostly due to the senate not having a 60% majority. The republicans have stood with Bush and they will pay with their jobs.

Just like we targeted them last year, we have targeted 22 seats for next year. We progressives will win the necesaary seats to get the 60% we need.

The neo khans went too far with their agenda and now the backlash is underway. Take cover.
 
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