I've been reading Defensor Fortis by Pinckney and he mentions that there are special ops cops that are assigned to detachments for JSOC, that deploy from Macdill, Pope, and Hurlburt. Does anyone know if this is true? If so any information would be appreciated.
You can learn a bit more from the thread called "DAGER". And, numbers... I know you didn't mean anything here, but you might want to duck because there's likely to be some crossfire flying around. Any discussion that even hints at the idea that some cops are more "special" than others tends to get pretty hot.
LOL!!! Thanks for the info Z, I was getting the impression that I might had hit a nerve. I was just trying to verify what the book said was true. By the way, I tried looking for that thread, but could not find it...little help? Sorry if I offended anyone.
Originally posted by 15286134: LOL!!! Thanks for the info Z, I was getting the impression that I might had hit a nerve. I was just trying to verify what the book said was true. By the way, I tried looking for that thread, but could not find it...little help? Sorry if I offended anyone.
Like that one that pulled me over at Lackland at about 11pm at night on a Saturday for my "failure to fully stop at a stop sign".
If I was moving, it was about .0000005 MPH.
It was late at night...there were NO troops or cars or ANYTHING around.
That cop MUST have been special...super training he must have had, for sure. (then again, maybe he just figured all former Army guys are drunk 24/7 and it would be easy pickin's)
I got no ticket (so I can't complain too much), but I did get a 5 minute lecture on how "California" troops aren't allowed to make a "California Stop" on a Federal Installation.
Uh oh! You gonna set Cabo off. This is gonna be funny
I just want him post what the book had to say, that way some one could comment on how close/correct the author is. Geez, dude do you want me to get twisted.....Ha! Ha!
I have read in DoD Pubs that some Security Forces have been able to receive advanced training...(K9)..., but as far as anyone being attached to the Rangers or SOCOM, they've been our Spec Ops guys. They've been LALO, HALO, Airborne, Air Assault, and advanced weapons trained and CCTs perform FAC, as well, when attached to Special Forces units. If there are any super cops, they don't talk, and there's very few of them performing multi-branch support.
OK, sorry I took so long to reply but life got in the way. Here is what the book says "There are an elite few Security Forces who are chosen based on their performance and motivation that operate within the Special Operations community. Their missions are diverse, many classified, and they work directly in support of Special Operations Forces. Organization of units is not based on typical USAF squadron, flight, squads elements, instead they work in Detachments. Joint Special Operations Command deploys the cops out of Macdill and Pope Air Force Bases." The book goes on to state the following " Along with these Detachments, there are other Security personnel and units that are regularly tapped for use by JSOC and this includes the Security Forces of Hurlburt Field." In between these statement they mention that the training these cops receive Army Airborne, Army SRT, DOD Protective Services, Mountain and winter/artic survival and Ranger school.
As I said, this book is called Defensor Fortis by Kali Pinckney , 2003
it doesn't look like Mr. Pinckney did a lot of original research on this, mainly borrowing from respected work like that of Lt. Col Fox as well as regular AF PAO releases, which many of us in the career field (or now out of it) take with a large grain of salt.
Mr. Pinckney doesn't state he was a Cop anywhere on his web page:
I know of one or two guys who have worked jobs they cant/dont/wont talk about, around the CAG or other "Special" units...but like I said earlier, they dont get the really super secret Ninja training. They usually serve in support roles. Although they may get decoder rings...
i know/have met plenty of cops that have been through ranger school and most of the people in my unit have their jump or air assault wings.....but that is not the norm my last base there was two ssgts that had wings and our commander and ops o both had air assault and jump wings and myself have gone through srt.
Mr Pinckney was a SF O-3. Not having read the book, so i can not say what is in it but he would have inside information on th SF careerfield and he is correct about positions referenced above. They do exsist.
I was watching a military forces (World) sniper competition and watched an Air Force TSgt in the mix. After what I've read and saw, both open source and on here, I seriously doubt anyone can claim Security Forces aren't receiving Spec Ops training. Being in the right place at the right time can be a big benefit to those getting the schooling, especially if you're not someone with prior service training, before entering USAF.
We need a working definition of "Spec. Ops" training. We get good stuff here and there, no doubt. But for most, it is average, enough to get the job done plus a little bit. This job is a great jumping off point for bigger, better things.
My buddy took a team to a "World SWAT" competition. Had to go permissive TDY to do it, but they went and did fairly well.
You are correct, right place at right time has alot to do with it. My old office mate in Germany went to Benning for Army Sniper. He also was his class Honor Grad. RP/RT...
Right now we are working on going to an explosives entry class. Will we ever use it in AF duties? Prolly not. But, a good class and a definite morale builder for us. RP/RT. (Hopefully I keep all my appendages...)
AF security forces do not receive special operations training. Schools like sniper and Ranger, airborne and the like are not special operations courses or training. Special operations training is Special Forces Qualification Course, BUDS, Pararescue, Combat Controller, CAG, etc....
