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I thought they were considered "DOD Police! You might check our AF Security Forces Directorate, as they may still come under the operational control of Security Forces. Good luck. I worked with them in Hawaii, but they were being phased out as they were getting a little "long in the tooth". But they should get theire training somewhere in Georgia. Good job security. I don't know about promotions as I supervised six of them and they had already gotten to the GS-9 position really quickly. Of course there's steps in each grade and other significant perks too! Just make sure you stay on the road and tied to some gate. Cabin fever creeps into you psyche too quickly. But why don't you try a civilian law enforcement agency or the US Border Patrol? HOmeland Security and Border Protection (one organization combining several)is improving too.
DOD Cops are DOD Cops whether they're working for the Air Force, Navy, Army, etc. However, the Army and Navy have been calling them DON and DOA police respectively. Either way, you're a 0083 series Federal Police Officer.
There is a lot of controversy, a lot of it inside the 0083 community, of whether or not they're "real cops". Granted, you may call someone in Michigan at this Army Research & Development base more of a guard, but at large bases that have on/off base housing, it can be no different than what a city/county cop does.
Police cars, badges, guns, patrols, arrests, booking, DUIs, police academies, running radar/lazer, traffic stops, directing traffic, drug busts, warrants, fights, theft, burglary, shootings, suicide, medical emergencies, auto accidents, accidental deaths, domestics, child abuse, and then there's the force protection/anti-terrorism role.
Yeah, that can be all or some of your duties, just depends on where you work. A lot of navy bases have high crime rates; two that come to mind are Norfolk, VA and Mayport, FL.
Not a bad gig, especially for veterans. Pay isn't bad but you work for the military. You may have a military (or civilian) director of security (sort of a police chief), but at the end of the day you work for the base commander, and base commanders do not like their troops/sailors/airmen/marines to be arrested or hassled by the police. It can be challenging and rewarding. Benefits are good and you may or may not have good equipment. I've seen Tahoes, Explorers but mostly Impalas. They generally carry M9s that they CAN'T take home. I know they often carry patrol rifles (AR/M4 types). Some places have K9, ATVs, boat patrols, and of course, you may work a gate if they don't have contract guards.
That's what I know.
Long stort short...for the forseeable future you'll be doing the same job the contract guards are doing.
They are AF Civ vice DoD civ "cops"...patch on shoulder even reflects this "specific" difference
What does the future hold...who knows. Its a job and it pays the bills
Here at Lackland the GS guards say "GUARD" on their patch. But at Kirtland, they say Police and do "police work".
From what I understand, the DOD cops at MacDill are "police" too.
Are they different than the Army and Navy DOD cops in that they don't do LE work?
There is an "it depends" aspect to the program.
Again, another long story. But across the AF whether your patch says "Guard" or "Police" in the short term, you will more than likely be replacing contract gate guards.
Long term...you might be replacing an entire squadron of SF.
You can already see by the discussion on the board the dispairty between the MAJCOMs. Guards one place Police another.
Again,I would say most (many?) MAJCOMs are looking for these folks, to replace the contract gate guards becasuse they have the funds today to do that. Other MAJCOMs may have funds to have these folks do other tasks (i.e. Police work) It all depends.
As for pay...who knows...
The ones I saw at Kirtland looked like city cops, except with a DOD police badge. The DOD cops at the navy bases I've been to look the same, but with a DON badge specific to their base or region. However, the DON cops are switching from the blue polyester police uniforms to the tactical 5.11 type uniform with a mandatory wear day of 2010.
I can't speak for the AF, butI've dealt with, and have friends that are DOD cops. On the Army installations I've been on, I've seen contract guards, DOD Guards/Security, and DOD Police. The contract guards mostly handled ECP/gate guard duties. DOD Guards/Security tended to work static site security, or at some locations they ran K-9 and SRT (SWAT). The DOD cops handled law enforcement functions.
On the various Navy bases in the Norfolk area, the DOD cops perform basic patrol (to include traffic enforcement), ECP/Gate Guard, run the various pass offices, marine patrol, some investigations, and for a while they had an SRT. But what they're authorized to due, depends on the Commander. For a while, they couldn't write tickets (until the union got the local papers involved).
I'll weigh in on this one. I'm a former SP (LE/K-9) and have worked in 3 different federal agencies as an 0083 Police Officer. First off, if you are an 0083 Police Officer... you're a real cop! For whatever reason, the various DoD entities (with exception of Pentagon Police) won't send their folks to FLETC for Mixed Basic Police Training.
I was DoD Police at a small naval station in Mississippi. I was there when the whole debate blew open as to whether there was such a thing as DoD Police or not. It all stemmed from a mysterious "order" that came from CINCLANTFLT stating that there was no such thing as DoD Police and that all civilian personnel were to be referred to as Naval Security Forces and that the badges & patches would reflect the same.
Interestingly enough, USOPM had the manual for the clothing and identification for DoD Police, along with NSNs for the DoD Police badges & patches. We contested the mysterious order (which had no authorization numbers, signatures, etc.) through a union greivance. The Navy wouldn't budge. The idea was to chaneg our badges and patches so the skipper would have more control over us DoD civilians. -???- Um... OK? As per the FLETC legal staff and various US Attorneys offices, DoD Police derive their authority from the MCM AND 40 USC 318, like most of the other federal police agencies (NIH, NIST, FBI Police, BEP, etc.). For those intereted, another good place to get your foot in the door is with the VA Police.
For those who want to know the Air Force Civilian Police officers (GS-0083-XX are all being trained at the VALETC (Veterans Affairs Law Enforcement Training Center) located at Fort Roots VAMC, North Little Rock, AR. As for the Job, before becoming a VA Chief of Police I was the Ops Officer for the Civilian Security Forces at Onizuka AFS, Sunnyvale, CA...VA is the better of the two in my humble opinion since VA Police are covered under HR 218 and have statutory arrest authority where the DoD folks do not...another issue is the AF is requiring all to pass the AF PT Test….even if you are 50….where the VA has a different, more normal standard….if interested there are 176 VA Police Stations and over 2000 VA Police Officers nationwide…just go visit the VA Police next time your at the VA….one issue you need to know though is you have to have 2 years police experience before applying for VA Police position…2010 the Basic VA Police course will jump to 8 weeks from the current 6 weeks…
A buddy of mine is a cop at a Navy base and just called to tell me they've all been notified of a huge hiring program for the Air Force to get DOD cops on the streets.
I have no idea how valid this is, but he says it was an email from someone in DC suggesting that if you want to advance (get promoted) it'll behoove you to start looking at the hundreds of opportunities opening up Air Force wide for civilian DOD police on AF Based.
The hiring problem, I'd expect, has to do with the pay...the AF is paying squat relative to the other services.
The rocket scienetists who run the civilian personnel world (specifically those who classify positions) have decidied the rest of the governement have improperly classified their cops and hence over pay them and that they have properly classified them and hence we pay them (albeit releative to everyone else underpay) properly pay them.
Then there's the whole issue of having to take a physical fitness test for a job that doesn't pay much more than you can make flipping cheeseburgers.
And before someone gets all excited on the above statement...I'm not saying cops shouldn't be, and stay, in shape, rather, if you want that out of your work force you'll have to pay them a little more than what they can make working at McDonalds.
It can't be much worse than the other branches, can it?
We have guys in my ANG squadron who are DOD cops at Ft. Stewart (Army) and NS Mayport (Navy). Both start at GS5 with locality pay (isn't that standard through OPM?) DOD police DO NOT get LEAP (Law Enforcemant Availability Pay) like Park Police, USSS, and others.
A new hire GS5 DOD cop at the two bases I mention above start off making roughly about $38K a year. This doesn't count 25% additional on Sundays or 10% for night work (1800 - 0600).
Here's how they work it right now:
-Partrolman = GS5
-Sergeant = GS6
-Lieutenant = GS7
-Major = GS9 (operations)
I do know of others that work at a Marine Corps base that start out one grade higher, but not sure if that's Marine Corps wide.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Stonewall_11,
Actually, it is. Right now cops are no higher than GS 6. Guards are at GS5.
The Army program is far more robust. They have postions up to YA/YC 2 (GS12/13) in their program depending on where you're at. Navy is somewhat similar. Can speak for USMC.
The AF is fighting a pretty big rear guard action right now. This is a real big deal at Joint Bases where the AF is inheriting a program from a sister service (read Army) who has a more robust program than the AF.
NS Mayport and NAS Jacksonville come in as GS-5. Sergeant is GS-6. Lt is GS-7. And they do get "LE Pay" of some sort.
GS-5 step one there maks about $40K.
I am an Air Force Police Officer. I did five weeks of training at VALETC ran by the Dept of Veterans Affairs in North Little Rock. Right now, until we convert over, we are NSPS (YM-1) and making just under $40,000, and not recieving a LE special pay. Other bases are GS-6. We wear civilian police uniforms, and most of my coworkers have a lot of experience on the civilian LE side, which makes things interesting. We are all a lot more proactive than most of the Active Duty guys who we work with. We work at one of the three gates on base, and on patrol. We don't work the desk, flightline, K-9, or community police, but there has been talk to have us work in all sections. Other bases, their AFPO's only work patrol, and a few other bases have their AFPO's just working gates. We get along great with most of the military guys in our squadron, but there have been some growing pains. Many other bases are much, much worse than what we are dealing with. We no not have a ranking system (for now). If you have any questions, let me know!! And good luck!
I have applied for a Police Officer position at Macdill AFB. Does anyone have any info about that AFB? Such as shifts or their duties? Do they patrol or just man gates? Any info would be great.
WOW. The pay is a little low for these jobs don't you guys think. I mean GS-6 pay for the flight sergeant position isn't a whole heck of alot for the responsibility they have. Thoughts or opinions on this?
You've (IMHO) struck on the weakness of the AF program. Although in the other services, on the front end (some actually pay less than we do), aren't much better.
The "wizards" in the civilian personnel world who graded these jobs out graded them very low. Couple that with the fact we haven't established much of a career ladder (i.e., there's not very far you can go in the 083/085 job series) and at the end of the day what you've created is a good job for a guy who is retired and is looking for a relatively simple gig or a young guy who's waiting for something better (as a cop or in civil service) to come along.
Having said all of the above, this hasn't been a problem of our (SF) creation...we kind of got saddled with it by the civil service rule set. Some locations have some work arounds (special salary rates for high cost of living areas, some career progression at some of the joint bases because we "inherited" a robust system from another service, etc) but mostly, it is what it is.
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