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just curious if any of yall out there have had any experience with these vehicles what did you like dislike about it?? Were getting them for our upcoming deployment just trying to get some intel on them before we start training with them
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Just curious. How is the 820th getting MRAP's when Army and Marine combat units here in Iraq and in A-stan don't have enough? They are direct combat units and I would think the need to get the MRAP's to them first would be a priority.
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To answer you question...the AF, like the other services got a buy of MRAPS...they are just now getting doled out. I'm guessing if you knew where they were all going you'd really have a melt down... |
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157, No drama I was just a little shocked that the 820th was getting them and the Army and Marines here can't get enough. And these are the folks out doing combat operations. Thanks for the info, and yeah you probably don't want to tell me. I might shard my pants on that one. |
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Understand...for whatever it's worth, it was on the same appropriation for USMC and USA MRAPs. The AF MRAPs should be configured the same as the USMC and USA one's...which should be interesting becuase it will come with a lot of gear I'm not sure what we're going to do with in some cases. |
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yea we should start getting hands on with them in the next few weeks....and our mission coming up it would be very beneficial to have these vehicles hence the reason we are getting them.
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When did base defense and force protection require MRAP's? It's not like you are going outside the wire. Those vehicle ares primarily combat/offensive type vehicles. |
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Do you know which MRAP you are getting? I have some experiance in the FPI JERV 6x6.
http://www.forceprotection.net/models/cougar/ |
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Just guessing, but the ones going to the 820th will likely be sitting in Moody. They will use it to train with, and keep some in a WRM status that aren't used, but ready to go. If that is the case, that is a total waste and Americans will die so the 820th can be ready for a mission it will never do.
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An absolutely insightful comment. Congress appropriated money and the AF bought something so people who needed it couldn't get it so people could die...do you really believe that? While there's only an acting CSAF, he's still available on the global email listing...if its so wrong...man up and share your thougts. In any event, Congress asked the AF if it needed MRAPs...the AF said yes. They also asked the USMC and USA...they also got $$ to buy them...they did...they're being delivered...after the AF buy. The AF bought MRAPs where they needed them (whether you agree or not). Some will be at RTCs (so you can train on them before you drive them in the AO), some will be in the AOR, some will be elsewhere. I'm guessing, and I'm just spitballing ideas here, Jacobson, McElroy, Norton, Self and Griffin could have used an MRAP... Bottomline...the AF isn't getting MRAPs ahead of those "who really need them." Now the question you have to ask youself is this...does everyone driving a vehilce in the AOR need to be in an MRAP? And if they do, do they need to be driving at all? Those are much larger discussions well beyound this. Also, as an aside, not all MRAP users are happy campers. So now what? |
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I would say as an end user of the vehicle that a few being siphoned off from the yard they would be sitting in awaiting transport over to another yard where they will sit and wait for CREW, Radios, and BII to be installed to be moved to another yard where Colonels will mull over who gets the new toys is worth it. As those vehicles will be used to train folks at home so there will be less OJT training in a combat environment which WILL...not might cause deaths or injuries. Ever driven one? They are not something that you just jump in and have at, they are 40,000lbs armored vehicles with severe vision limitations and driving quirks. Who is the person who usually gets stuck driving? The new kid with no real experiance driving anything larger than their daddies F150. So yeah I think that having them available to train on at homestation is a good thing. The only experiance me and my team had in the vehicle before taking it on live operations was ONE lap around BAF, thankfully our homestation response vehicle is a 40ft truck and we were used to driving large vehicles. Most of the AF MRAPs will be coming to EOD anyway so this probably isn't going to be much of an issue to the rest of the AF.
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I don't know whether we need them or not. But I will say at first glance it reminds me of when the huge uproar started about the Army/Marines not having enough up armored HMMWV's and at FE Warren we had a GOV lot full of them, that we never really used. Out of all those vehicles, we gave up one (1). But then again, no one ever modeled a business after 'government efficiency'. Unless of course you count a company like Enron.
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Very good post.
I'm obviously not on the "infantry" of the Air Force propoganda Lackland has been spewing, but there is one fact, we have missions in harm's way. **** the 820th, how about guys seeing the most action these days, the Iraqi police training DET in Baghdad? These dudes are constantly being engaged and assaulted with IEDs. Yep, all they do is lay surpressive fire and get out of dodge (unlike the infantry which would probably start moving toward the fire to neutralize the threat) BUT why is the MRAP wasted on them? (btw, not sure even Griffin would be alive with an MRAP..he was hit by an EFP) Each service was allowed to buy so many with the budget. The USAF buying some doesn't make less for the Army. If the Army wants more, request a bigger budget for it and get more made.
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Don't think so brother. Last I checked SF was running the AF buy...not EOD. EOD will get theirs...SF will get the bulk of the buy. |
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When did base defense and force protection require MRAP's? It's not like you are going outside the wire. Those vehicle ares primarily combat/offensive type vehicles.
really so youve been through the op orders and intel briefs and know what our mission is??? oh excuse me then your right they should make you general of the military for all your wisdom...jesus christ people stop *****ing about the 820th its just a ****ing unit i asked a question about a vehicle that was it get over your ****ing brused *** egos or whatever the hell your problem is. the Iraqi police training DET in Baghdad? These dudes are constantly being engaged and assaulted with IEDs and on that who do you think does that..we always have teams doing that..yea det 3 and det 7 (you know the videos on youtube) thats the 824th....thats when chavis was killed...maybe an MRAP would have helped him who knows |
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Ease up troop. I was asking a question and followed it with a opinion. You might want to slow your roll and take a breath. I know what Det 3 and 7 do, those are not AF direct taskings. They do see some action and when big Army provides them with MRAP's then every thing will be fine. But understand something MRAP's are not always suited for the jobs that Det 3 and 7 do. The MRAP's are too big for some of their missions. If you have ran the streets of Baghdad you would know that. By the way I don't have to attend your ops orders or and intel briefs to know what your unit thinks they are going to do. Every changes when you hit the ground in Iraq. So just chill and have a nice day.  |
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Yeah your probably right, ours will come out of the Joint Funds, uhhh that whole Joint part of the JOINT EOD response vehicle thingy. Big Durr on my part. Mudvayne what kinda toys are you getting? |
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I know.....who said we are going to Baghdad....you have no clue what me or my unit are doing...and to EOD....no idea just told we were getting them went through an hour slide show on the load plan of them and what not and how we are going to implement them in country and to expect more intel on them when they get here |
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I didn't say you were going to Baghdad, hotshot. Read what I posted, it was in reference to Det 3 and 7. And ease up on the cloak and dagger stuff, you are assigned to a AF security forces unit. Not a DA unit. Have a nice day. |
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you know cabo ever since ive been hanging around here i never had a problem with anybody giving me **** until i got to the 820th every time i post something you always question this or that or what have you....if you really want to know why we do what we do down here put in for orders...until then stfu.
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